Gays destroy Europe!

[Sheilbh]

Weird thing about that rant is that Russia's in far more demographic trouble than gay-loving Britain, America, France...

[Neil]

Is navy culture a recent thing then?

Faggotry in the navy was an overstated phenomenon.

[garbon]

[Neil]

You homos and your art.

[garbon]

Did the navy put in on display?

Speaking of which - how about this number?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InBXu-iY7cw&feature=kp

[Neil]

I'm not clicking a fag link.

[garbon]

Village People - In The Navy

You know, the one helped put together by the Navy?

[Sheilbh]

Why did no-one tell us disco was gay?

[DGuller]

Yeah, I shouldnt have responded.  I knew that was the case and there is little point.

He has a point.  The Russians were homophobic during official atheism, they are still homophobic when they don't have official atheism, and they'd be homophobic if they all converted to Jainism.  Dislike of gays is part of Russian culture rather then part of the baggage of a religion.  Same thing with their dislike of Jews.  Under the Czar Jews were "Christ killers", under the soviets Jews were "rootless cosmopolitans", today they are "Zionist conspirators".  Hatred of Jews is independent of other factors.

This isn't unique to Russia, and this isn't unique to homophobia or anti-Semitism.  Russian society, like many throughout the world, is very ruthless.  Strength must be projected at all times and in all ways, even if you know that it's ultimately damaging for you, and weakness is to be picked at.  This kind of society is not exactly a fertile ground for tolerance of anything out of the mainstream.  What makes it noteworthy in case of Russia is that they are the only society that I'm aware of that hasn't outgrown that mindset as it advanced.

[Neil]

Yeah, I shouldnt have responded.  I knew that was the case and there is little point.

He has a point.  The Russians were homophobic during official atheism, they are still homophobic when they don't have official atheism, and they'd be homophobic if they all converted to Jainism.  Dislike of gays is part of Russian culture rather then part of the baggage of a religion.  Same thing with their dislike of Jews.  Under the Czar Jews were "Christ killers", under the soviets Jews were "rootless cosmopolitans", today they are "Zionist conspirators".  Hatred of Jews is independent of other factors.

This isn't unique to Russia, and this isn't unique to homophobia or anti-Semitism.  Russian society, like many throughout the world, is very ruthless.  Strength must be projected at all times and in all ways, even if you know that it's ultimately damaging for you, and weakness is to be picked at.  This kind of society is not exactly a fertile ground for tolerance of anything out of the mainstream.  What makes it noteworthy in case of Russia is that they are the only society that I'm aware of that hasn't outgrown that mindset as it advanced.

But isn't that mindset common to libertarians and gays?

[DGuller]

But isn't that mindset common to libertarians and gays?

No.

[DontSayBanana]

Why did no-one tell us disco was gay?

Because it should have been obvious?

[Neil]

But isn't that mindset common to libertarians and gays?

No.

Are you sure?  I've never known a gay or a libertarian who would avoid attacking a weakness.

[garbon]

But isn't that mindset common to libertarians and gays?

No.

Are you sure?  I've never known a gay or a libertarian who would avoid attacking a weakness.

Attacking weaknesses? How dull.

[Neil]

That's right up your ally.  Cruelty is what you're all about.