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Ukraine's European Revolution?

Started by Sheilbh, December 03, 2013, 07:39:37 AM

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mongers

Quote from: Barrister on April 24, 2014, 06:13:09 PM
My sympathies are 100% behind the brave people of Ukraine.

Besides, how can you not have sympathy for a people who launch a series of protests throughout the entire Ukrainian winter, all because they want their nation to be associated with the West and the EU?   :)

You should go there and join the 'Jihad'.  :)
"We have it in our power to begin the world over again"

Barrister

Quote from: mongers on April 24, 2014, 06:14:18 PM
Quote from: Barrister on April 24, 2014, 06:13:09 PM
My sympathies are 100% behind the brave people of Ukraine.

Besides, how can you not have sympathy for a people who launch a series of protests throughout the entire Ukrainian winter, all because they want their nation to be associated with the West and the EU?   :)

You should go there and join the 'Jihad'.  :)

Umm, no.  Not speaking the language would make me more than useless for starters...
Posts here are my own private opinions.  I do not speak for my employer.

Razgovory

Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 24, 2014, 06:05:14 PM
I'm with Speesh.  I'll condemn Ukraine after they do something dumbass, not before.

Like starting from now or does that include stuff from the past?
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Admiral Yi

Quote from: Razgovory on April 24, 2014, 06:50:32 PM
Like starting from now or does that include stuff from the past?

I give you a fresh chance every day so it's only fair I give Ukraine a fresh chance starting from when they ousted their president.

DGuller


jimmy olsen

Traitorous scum!  :mad:

http://euobserver.com/eu-elections/123887
QuoteEU elections may strengthen Putin in Europe

23.04.14 @ 09:29

    By F. Morice, F. Peschl, N. Popkostadinova & E. Zalan

BRUSSELS - Far-right parties are set to do well in next month's elections to the European Parliament, a fact that has thrown a spotlight on their links with the Kremlin.

A recent study by the Budapest-based Political Capital Institute documents the support that far-right parties in the EU have given to Russian President Vladimir Putin, particularly throughout the Ukraine crisis.

These parties repeated the Kremlin's line that it is the EU and the West, rather than Russia, which are provoking tension and fuelling violence in the Eastern European country.

Several far-right politicians went to observe the Crimea referendum on re-joining Russia, a vote they said was free and fair although it was denounced as illegitimate by most Western leaders.

Among those that went were politicians from far-right or populist parties in Austria, Belgium, the Czech Republic, France and Hungary.

The EU-based parties – anti-European Union and favouring a strong nation state – see their world view reflected in the Kremlin. President Vladimir Putin has set his sights on restoring his country's status as a world power, while weakening Euro-Atlantic ties.

"There is reason to believe that Russian diplomacy seeks to build party families in Europe," the study says.

It cites numerous examples of far-right parties participating in events attended by or organised by Russian policymakers.

A congress held by Italy's Northern League in December last year, for example, was attended by Austrian, Flemish, Dutch and Swedish far-right leaders as well as Vikto Zubarev, an MP for United Russia, Putin's party.

Hungary's Jobbik and Greece's Golden Dawn are both invited to the Russian National Forum organised by a group with close ties to Putin to be held later this year.

Admiration for Putin also extends to Europe's softer right-wing. Nigel Farage, leader of the eurosceptic UK Independence Party, has openly backed Putin as a skillful "operator".

He recently said the Russian President was the current leader he most admired and said the EU had "blood on its hands" for making Ukraine choose between the European Union and Russia.

The support by the European parties – some of which are set to top the polls in the May EU vote – adds to an already muddled backdrop of the EU trying to form a unified response to Moscow's actions in Ukraine.

It was only after much discussion that the EU finally agreed to blacklist some Russian officials and companies.
Marine Le Pen: new 'Cold War'

Amid the controversy and debate about the state of EU-Russia relations, Marine Le Pen, leader of France's National Front, headed to Moscow for the second time this year. On 11 April she travelled to meet Sergey Naryshkin, speaker of the Russian parliament's lower house, and named on the EU's sanctions list.

During the visit Le Pen asserted her support for Russia in the Ukrainian crisis, blaming the EU for declaring a new "cold war on Russia".

Le Pen said Ukraine's eastern regions should be allowed to choose greater independence from Kiev and said she was in favour of a "federation inside Ukraine". This would be the most "logical" and "respectful" solution to end tensions, she said.
Bulgaria: under pressure over Russia sanctions

Further to the east, recent history complicates matters further. Bulgaria is a member of Nato and the EU, but the former communist country is still very close to Russia. Not only are older citizens Russophiles, but many decision-makers too.

Georgi Kadiev, an MP with the ruling Bulgarian Socialist Party, recently said his father used to be an officer in the Soviet army and today he finds it difficult to explain to him why Bulgaria will go along with sanctions against Moscow over the annexation of Crimea.

The government has so far maintained its support for the sanctions, but it may yet feel the pressure domestically.

The fragile coalition government in Sofia depends on the support of Ataka, an extreme right-wing nationalist party. But Ataka could withdraw its support if the government continues to back sanctions against Russia.

Daniel Smilov, a political analyst, said that Ataka acts as if it were a part of Russia or Putin's Eurasian Union.

Ataka's official statements underline his point. The party says that the referendum in Crimea reflects the free will of its citizens and that it acknowledges the results and supports the annexation.
Far-right in Austria: flirting with Putin

Election observation in Europe is usually carried out by the Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE), but the review of the Crimean referendum last month was financed and organised by Brussels-based Eurasian Observatory for Democracy and Elections, led by well-known right-wing politician Luc Michel. The 56-year-old attorney is said to be an admirer of Putin's United Russia party.

When people in Crimea went to the polls to vote on their annexation to Russia, OSCE officials were not allowed to enter the peninsula.

However, Austrian far-right MPs Johann Gudenus and Johannes Hüber (both from the Freedom Party, FPOe) as well MEP Ewald Stadler were there to check the process.

Bela Kovacs, a Hungarian MEP, and Milan Sarapatka, a Czech MP, were also among the many delegates to rubberstamp the result, recognised only by Russia, Kazakhstan and Armenia as legitimate.

For his part, Heinz-Christian Strache, Austria's Freedom Party leader, has been in contact with Putin's supporters on a lower level. He visited Moscow in 2011, stating he would maintain "friendly contacts" with United Russia.
Hungary's Jobbik: the best performing pupils

Hungary's Jobbik earlier this month (6 April) won over 20 percent in national elections making it the far-right party with the highest rate of popular support in Europe.

While some right-wing parties in Western Europe – such as France's National Front – refuse to build alliances with Jobbik, they are welcome guests in Moscow.

There have been rumours about Jobbik's financial ties with Russia in Hungary for years, but nothing has been proven. However, Jobbik politicians openly support the Kremlin, and believe that opening to the east and Russia is essential.

In an interview with The Voice of Russia in 2013, Jobbik leader Gabor Vona said: "I consider Russia as a country of key importance. Besides Turkey, I believe Russia is the other Eurasian power that could spearhead a real political, economic and cultural resistance against the Euro-Atlantic bloc."

While the overall effect of this far-right support is diffuse, Putin has been clever to exploit more mainstream parties too, playing on member states' economic and energy ties with Russia.

This has seen Hungary's centre-right leader Viktor Orban, for example, agree a nuclear power plant deal with Moscow, financed with a Russian loan of €10bn.

In next month's EU vote, parties such as the National Front, Austria's Freedom Party or UKip are expected to do well, perhaps even emerging top among their domestic peers.

Most analysts say that the parties – notoriously unable to work with one another due to internal squabbling – are unlikely to hinder the legislative work of the European Parliament.

However, their very presence and their relative electoral success could push other mainstream parties towards the same eurosceptic stance – something that would no doubt be welcomed in the Kremlin.
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Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
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celedhring

So, instead of far left parties being the Kremlin's mouthpieces now we have far right parties playing that part?  :D

Admiral Yi

Some Kraut military observers have been taken captive by "militants."

mongers

Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 25, 2014, 06:06:42 PM
Some Kraut 'military observers' have been taken captive by "militants."

FYP.   :)
"We have it in our power to begin the world over again"

Razgovory

A new day, another chance to disappoint Yi!
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

mongers

Meanwhile on the 'battlefield' Russian aircraft have violated Ukrainian airspace, according to the five-sided office block.
"We have it in our power to begin the world over again"

Admiral Yi


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Stay Alive...Let the Man Drive

mongers

Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 25, 2014, 06:33:44 PM
Quote from: mongers on April 25, 2014, 06:18:42 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 25, 2014, 06:06:42 PM
Some Kraut 'military observers' have been taken captive by "militants."

FYP.   :)

I don't get it.

Spells It Out:

1. How can German military in the East/Russia, ever be considered just observers.  :D

2. Call a spade a spade, they're just militants ?
"We have it in our power to begin the world over again"

Admiral Yi

Quote from: mongers on April 25, 2014, 06:41:28 PM
1. How can German military in the East/Russia, ever be considered just observers.  :D

When they're just observing?  :unsure: