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Started by Sheilbh, December 03, 2013, 07:39:37 AM

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The Brain

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Maximus

Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 19, 2014, 04:22:45 PM
Negotiating with whom?
QuotePravda is reporting that opposition leader Vitali Klitschko and others have re-entered negotiations with President Yanukovych, and there would be a temporary ceasefire where police officers would hold off on assaulting Maidan Square.

This is Ukrainian Pravda which apparently is somewhat reliable as opposed to Russian Pravda? At least it gets quoted quite a bit. DG and others may know more about that

Barrister

Quote from: alfred russel on February 19, 2014, 03:49:18 PM
Quote from: DGuller on February 19, 2014, 03:10:17 PM
My guess is because it was a culturally Ukrainian city.  The Interwar Poles did not treat Galicia well either, and did not consider it their core territory, though in hindsight they turned out to be somewhat more benign masters than the Soviets.

Really? My understanding of the history of Lviv is not extensive, however, I thought that pre WWII it was primarily Polish. The Poles lost Lviv but gained german cities in the west.

No.  Majority of the population spoke Ukrainian.  Historically had Polish nobility.  IN fact L'viv has almost always been the cradle of Ukrainian culture and nationalism.
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Queequeg

Are you sure about that?  I always thought that the city of Lvov itself had a majority German, Polish and Jewish population until WW2.
Quote from: PDH on April 25, 2009, 05:58:55 PM
"Dysthymia?  Did they get some student from the University of Chicago with a hard-on for ancient Bactrian cities to name this?  I feel cheated."


Queequeg

From Wiki:
QuoteDuring Habsburg rule, Lviv became one of the most important Polish, Ukrainian and Jewish cultural centres. In Lviv, according to the Austrian census of 1910, which listed religion and language, 51% of the city's population were Roman Catholics, 28% Jews, and 19% belonged to the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church. Linguistically, 86% of the city's population used the Polish language and 11% preferred the Ukrainian language.[26] At that time, Lviv was home to a number of renowned Polish - language institutions, such as:
Greek Catholics  :cry:
Quote from: PDH on April 25, 2009, 05:58:55 PM
"Dysthymia?  Did they get some student from the University of Chicago with a hard-on for ancient Bactrian cities to name this?  I feel cheated."

Neil

Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on February 19, 2014, 01:58:21 PM
Quote from: Barrister on February 19, 2014, 12:37:42 PM
I don't think Putin it looking to physically extend Russia's borders.  They know how difficult that is to do since WWII.

With the exception of Israel, has that happened at all since WWII, disputed territories notwithstanding?
China and Tibet, the Vietnam War.
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DGuller

Quote from: DGuller on February 19, 2014, 04:12:10 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 19, 2014, 04:10:06 PM
These towns popping up in the news, are they generally located in the west, or spread out?
Generally in the West, but then there are cities like Sumy, that are as far east as you can go.
Hmm, scratch that.  Sumy may border Russia, but it's still on the periphery of the western block in all those infamous divided Ukraine maps.


Barrister

Quote from: Queequeg on February 19, 2014, 04:35:56 PM
Are you sure about that?  I always thought that the city of Lvov itself had a majority German, Polish and Jewish population until WW2.

The fact you're calling it L'vov speaks volumes.

This is one of those issues I wouldn't really trust wiki on, for either side.
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Queequeg

It was a famous cultural center for Poles and Jews.  And keep in mind I'm calling it L'vov not L'wow. 
Quote from: PDH on April 25, 2009, 05:58:55 PM
"Dysthymia?  Did they get some student from the University of Chicago with a hard-on for ancient Bactrian cities to name this?  I feel cheated."


The Brain

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Razgovory

Quote from: Barrister on February 19, 2014, 04:47:12 PM
Quote from: Queequeg on February 19, 2014, 04:35:56 PM
Are you sure about that?  I always thought that the city of Lvov itself had a majority German, Polish and Jewish population until WW2.

The fact you're calling it L'vov speaks volumes.

This is one of those issues I wouldn't really trust wiki on, for either side.

Lvov is how it appears on my old maps.
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DGuller

Quote from: Queequeg on February 19, 2014, 04:48:08 PM
It was a famous cultural center for Poles and Jews.  And keep in mind I'm calling it L'vov not L'wow.
:hmm: You think that this is a less offensive implication?