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Ukraine's European Revolution?

Started by Sheilbh, December 03, 2013, 07:39:37 AM

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Capetan Mihali

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The Brain, Ed, Seedy (and myself), at least, have been consulting the stool chart in Languish discussions for years now.  Swedish government and Russian commentators = behind the curve.
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derspiess

I think I discovered Type 8 while doing my colonoscopy prep earlier this year.
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Ed Anger

I did a type 4 today. Shaped like a giant candy cane.
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Agelastus

Quote from: derspiess on December 05, 2013, 05:56:18 PM
I think I discovered Type 8 while doing my colonoscopy prep earlier this year.

You shit steam? :blink:
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jimmy olsen

Talk about Slavic pessimissim, the Ukranian anthem is literally titled "Ukraine has not yet perished":lol:
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Valmy

Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 09, 2013, 01:11:39 AM
Talk about Slavic pessimissim, the Ukranian anthem is literally titled "Ukraine has not yet perished":lol:

Hardly original.  The first line of the Polish National Anthem is Jeszcze Polska nie zginęła or 'Poland has not yet perished'

But that is not Slavic pessimissm that is just realism of living next to Russia.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Queequeg

Yeah, well, Poland is it's own thing, but the idea that Kiev is alien to Russia is kind of bullshit.
Quote from: PDH on April 25, 2009, 05:58:55 PM
"Dysthymia?  Did they get some student from the University of Chicago with a hard-on for ancient Bactrian cities to name this?  I feel cheated."

Valmy

Quote from: Queequeg on December 09, 2013, 01:45:36 AM
Yeah, well, Poland is it's own thing, but the idea that Kiev is alien to Russia is kind of bullshit.

Well you can blame the Mongols for that development.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Queequeg

Not really. The Romanovs fucked up bringing the lost Rus' back in to the fold, and some clever Austrians managed to find reasons to separate some from the full embrace of Holy Russia in the 19th Century.
Quote from: PDH on April 25, 2009, 05:58:55 PM
"Dysthymia?  Did they get some student from the University of Chicago with a hard-on for ancient Bactrian cities to name this?  I feel cheated."

Valmy

Quote from: Queequeg on December 09, 2013, 02:10:40 AM
Not really. The Romanovs fucked up bringing the lost Rus' back in to the fold, and some clever Austrians managed to find reasons to separate some from the full embrace of Holy Russia in the 19th Century.

Yeah.  The 18th and 19th centuries.  Ukraine had been doing its own thing for like 500 years with only marginally annoying disturbances from their supposed overlords in Vilnius and Warsaw.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Queequeg

There's a longer history of division and greater practical linguistic difference between a Sardinian and a Venetian than just about any kind of "Ruthenian" and a Russian.  The Germans and Italians managed to effectively create a new, shared national identity, there was no reason the Russians couldn't.  Other than administrative incompetence and Austro-Papist perfidy, obviously. 
Quote from: PDH on April 25, 2009, 05:58:55 PM
"Dysthymia?  Did they get some student from the University of Chicago with a hard-on for ancient Bactrian cities to name this?  I feel cheated."

Queequeg

I'm half-trolling.  I'm a Europhile and the Putin administration is a nightmare.  For practical purposes, Ukraine should be with Europe. 
Quote from: PDH on April 25, 2009, 05:58:55 PM
"Dysthymia?  Did they get some student from the University of Chicago with a hard-on for ancient Bactrian cities to name this?  I feel cheated."