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Ukraine's European Revolution?

Started by Sheilbh, December 03, 2013, 07:39:37 AM

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Tamas

Well, the French welfare state badly needs the money. I don't think Hollande could swap lovers as soon as they are over 40 if he lacked power, so he needs to do this. Be understanding. :P

Duque de Bragança

A very controversial move by Sarkozy and yet Hollande does nothing. Typical. He could have stalled but that would have been too much for him  :rolleyes:

grumbler

Quote from: Duque de Bragança on March 07, 2014, 06:43:06 AM
A very controversial move by Sarkozy and yet Hollande does nothing. Typical. He could have stalled but that would have been too much for him  :rolleyes: 

The first ship is six to eight months from delivery.  There was no need to say anything right now.  I agree with your assessment that Hollande was more worried about jitters among the DCNS shareholders than about stopping Russia's land grab in Crimea.
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

Bayraktar!

Tamas

Turkey said it had to scramble F-16s for the second time this week as a Russian surveillance plane again flew parallel the Turkish Black Sea coast.

WTF are the Russians doing?! It would be perfect timing for Erdogan to start some shit with Russia. That guy has proven to be ready to see his country burn before he would consider accepting defeat and stepping down, I can totally imagine him risking WW3 just to switch focus from the evidence which should send him to jail, especially if it would give him an opportunity to lock up dissenters.

celedhring

Isn't that something Russia usually does? Having Bears or whatever surveillance planes they use loiter near the airspace of NATO nations when there's some need to bang the chest?

Tamas

Quote from: celedhring on March 07, 2014, 11:08:49 AM
Isn't that something Russia usually does? Having Bears or whatever surveillance planes they use loiter near the airspace of NATO nations when there's some need to bang the chest?

But they are banging their chest hard enough already this time, and they are pulling the mustache of probably the most jumpy, and most unstable NATO member. That is either sheer stupidity, or a genuine attempt to escalate things without looking like the culprits.

Tamas

I wonder if politics would be better if complexes-ridden short men would be banned from it? I mean, I did not know about Hollande being part of that group as well:



:lol:

Solmyr

Quote from: Tamas on March 07, 2014, 11:10:42 AM
Quote from: celedhring on March 07, 2014, 11:08:49 AM
Isn't that something Russia usually does? Having Bears or whatever surveillance planes they use loiter near the airspace of NATO nations when there's some need to bang the chest?

But they are banging their chest hard enough already this time, and they are pulling the mustache of probably the most jumpy, and most unstable NATO member. That is either sheer stupidity, or a genuine attempt to escalate things without looking like the culprits.

Russian conquest of the Crimea is always followed by claims on Constantinople. :P

celedhring

Quote from: Tamas on March 07, 2014, 11:10:42 AM
Quote from: celedhring on March 07, 2014, 11:08:49 AM
Isn't that something Russia usually does? Having Bears or whatever surveillance planes they use loiter near the airspace of NATO nations when there's some need to bang the chest?

But they are banging their chest hard enough already this time, and they are pulling the mustache of probably the most jumpy, and most unstable NATO member. That is either sheer stupidity, or a genuine attempt to escalate things without looking like the culprits.

NATO has a sizable experience escorting Russian planes out of allied airspace, I'm pretty sure there's enough protocols in place for this.

Neil

Quote from: Tamas on March 07, 2014, 11:10:42 AM
Quote from: celedhring on March 07, 2014, 11:08:49 AM
Isn't that something Russia usually does? Having Bears or whatever surveillance planes they use loiter near the airspace of NATO nations when there's some need to bang the chest?

But they are banging their chest hard enough already this time, and they are pulling the mustache of probably the most jumpy, and most unstable NATO member. That is either sheer stupidity, or a genuine attempt to escalate things without looking like the culprits.
Yeah, but it's Turkey.  If you think the willingness of NATO to fight for the Baltics is ambiguous these days, just wait until you get a load of their willingness to defend Turkey.
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Valmy

We will fight to the death to defend our loyal friends in Ankara.
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Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

CountDeMoney

Quote from: Valmy on March 07, 2014, 11:38:22 AM
We will fight to the death to defend our loyal friends in Ankara.

"Oh, Billy..."

Viking

Quote from: Valmy on March 07, 2014, 11:38:22 AM
We will fight to the death to defend our loyal friends in Ankara.

FYP.
First Maxim - "There are only two amounts, too few and enough."
First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.

DGuller

Quote from: Viking on March 07, 2014, 12:17:25 PM
Quote from: Valmy on March 07, 2014, 11:38:22 AM
We will fight to the death to defend our loyal friends in Ankara.

FYP.
:o Woah, that's a much bigger commitment than what Valmy had in mind.

Viking

Quote from: DGuller on March 07, 2014, 12:20:42 PM
Quote from: Viking on March 07, 2014, 12:17:25 PM
Quote from: Valmy on March 07, 2014, 11:38:22 AM
We will fight to the death to defend our loyal friends in Ankara.

FYP.
:o Woah, that's a much bigger commitment than what Valmy had in mind.

Article 5 means never having to ask if you are a loyal friend.
First Maxim - "There are only two amounts, too few and enough."
First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.