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Started by The Minsky Moment, November 20, 2013, 07:01:15 PM

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The Minsky Moment

http://rajivsethi.blogspot.com/2013/11/the-payments-system-and-monetary.html

QuoteAbout forty minutes into the final session of a recent research conference at the IMF, Ken Rogoff made the following remarks:

QuoteWe have regulation about the government having monopoly over currency, but we allow these very close substitutes, we think it's good, but maybe... it's not so good, maybe we want to have a future where we all have an ATM at the Fed instead of intermediated through a bank... and if you want a better deal, you want more interest on your money, then you can buy what is basically a bond fund that may be very liquid, but you are not guaranteed that you're going to get paid back in full.

Prof. Sethi goes on to elaborate further.

Basically the proposal is to get private banks out of the business of managing the payments system and give that responsibility to the Fed.
What that does is eliminate the need for a vast system of deposit guarantees and related regulation.  Consumers are given clear options between 100% safe deposits and non-guarateed investments.
The other advantage in theory is that Too Big to Fail is solved, moral hazard vanishes, and there is no need for capital regulation.  The lower regulatory load compensates the banks for their loss of the ability to fund themselves with govt insured deposits.

Problems I see are:

1) political infeasbility.  The Ron/Rand Paul audit the Fed nutters go ape.  And the anti-keynsians (read the entire GOP and decent swaths of the Dems) oppose for the very reason Sethi likes the idea: it facilitates the ability to monetize debt-financed stimulus on the debtor side.

2) it doesn't end up solving TBTF for the same reasons that Lehman's collapse was problematic even though Lehman wasn't a deposit taking bank.  The government still has a interest in preventing total disruption of asset markets, even if there is no direct impact to the payment system.  And it is very likely that during a boom period, ordinary consumers will move balances from the safe Fed accounts to private bank investment accounts - putting huge pressures on the government to bail out those institutions.  One way to deal with these problems is to only bail out indirectly by infusing cash into debtors as per Sethi's proposal, but that brings us back to #1.
The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists.
--Joan Robinson

Legbiter

I like it, a nice barbell strategy. You can either have near-total safety or here-be-dragons high risk investment, with corresponding interest rates and payoff.

Middle-of-the-road seems to be all respectable and able, but once every century or so, it goes spectacularly bust. 

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Scipio

I may just be a stupid general practice lawyer, but why is this proposal superior to reinstating Glass-Steagall?
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Razgovory

Quote from: Scipio on November 20, 2013, 07:17:29 PM
I may just be a stupid general practice lawyer,

Well, I wasn't going to say, but I'm glad someone did.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Admiral Yi

...and all types of credit except bond issuance, including consumer credit and small business loans, disappear.

mongers

#5
Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 20, 2013, 07:20:45 PM
...and all types of credit except bond issuance, including consumer credit and small business loans, disappear.

And that would be an overall plus, right ?

edit:
silly me, I forgot you need unsustainable consumer booms to bribe the electorate and fuel politics (18-24 mth election cycles) 
"We have it in our power to begin the world over again"

Admiral Yi

Quote from: mongers on November 20, 2013, 08:01:29 PM
And that would be an overall plus, right ?

Oh yeah, anything that keeps the little man down is OK in my book.

mongers

Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 20, 2013, 08:03:08 PM
Quote from: mongers on November 20, 2013, 08:01:29 PM
And that would be an overall plus, right ?

Oh yeah, anything that keeps the little man down is OK in my book.

I wasn't suggesting you thought it was, but that I thought it was. 
"We have it in our power to begin the world over again"

Admiral Yi

Quote from: mongers on November 20, 2013, 08:05:26 PM
I wasn't suggesting you thought it was, but that I thought it was.

You can see how I might be a little confused, seeing as how you directed the question at me and put a "right" at the end.  :hmm:

fhdz

Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 20, 2013, 07:20:45 PM
...and all types of credit except bond issuance, including consumer credit and small business loans, disappear.

Why? I read the article and didn't see anything that would indicate non-Fed banks ceasing to exist.
and the horse you rode in on

Jacob

Yeah, would consumer credit disappear if banks lost the "safe deposits" business? Presumably they'd charge whatever interest the market could bear for their services as long as there was a market for consumer credit...?

fhdz

Quote from: Jacob on November 20, 2013, 08:25:16 PM
Yeah, would consumer credit disappear if banks lost the "safe deposits" business? Presumably they'd charge whatever interest the market could bear for their services as long as there was a market for consumer credit...?

That's how I read it. Maybe Yi has different thoughts on the matter.
and the horse you rode in on

Admiral Yi

Quote from: fhdz on November 20, 2013, 08:15:01 PM
Why? I read the article and didn't see anything that would indicate non-Fed banks ceasing to exist.

No, you're right.  They would presumably turn into non-bank lenders like those mortgage lenders that are always advertising.

The problem, rather, is whom the Fed would lend to and on what terms.


fhdz

Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 20, 2013, 08:30:51 PM
Quote from: fhdz on November 20, 2013, 08:15:01 PM
Why? I read the article and didn't see anything that would indicate non-Fed banks ceasing to exist.

No, you're right.  They would presumably turn into non-bank lenders like those mortgage lenders that are always advertising.

:yes: Specialized lenders, like mortgage "banks" and etc.

QuoteThe problem, rather, is whom the Fed would lend to and on what terms.

What are your thoughts on how they could do it and avoid economy damage?
and the horse you rode in on

DGuller