Richie Incognito's Accidental Racism: An Apologia

[derspiess]

Because I've been in an NFL locker room many times.

Do you like movies about gladiators?

  You learn pretty quickly where not to look.

[Valmy]

This is accidental racism, which is to say white innocence, at its finest.

Really?  At its finest?  Man I would hate to see it at its worst. 

[Alcibiades]

Why, of all people, would we believe you?

Because I've been in an NFL locker room many times.

[OttoVonBismarck]

This is what I'm talking about with Ta-Nehisi Coates by the way, he literally only posts about angry black issues and does so using poor reasoning and demagoguery:

Why Black Folks Tend To Shout
George Zimmerman Is Who We Thought He Was
TA-NEHISI COATESNOV 19 2013, 9:39 AM ET

Very few black people were shocked by the lamentable return of George Zimmerman to the headlines:

Mr. Zimmerman, 30, was charged with domestic aggravated assault, domestic battery and criminal mischief after he and his girlfriend, Samantha Scheibe, had an argument at their home in Apopka, northwest of Orlando, said Chief Deputy Sheriff Dennis Lemma of Seminole County. Ms. Scheibe told investigators that she had asked Mr. Zimmerman to leave the residence, and that he had begun packing his belongings, including two firearms, before growing agitated and turning violent.

Deputy Lemma said that Mr. Zimmerman had "broken a table and, at one point, pointed a long-barreled shotgun" at Ms. Scheibe, who said he had aimed at her for about a minute. Later in the altercation, the authorities said, Mr. Zimmerman forced Ms. Scheibe, who was uninjured, out of the home before obstructing a doorway with furniture.

"He just pushed me out of my house and locked me out," Ms. Scheibe told a 911 dispatcher.

Zimmerman has a somewhat different version of events:

In his own 911 call before the deputies entered the home, Mr. Zimmerman said that Ms. Scheibe was pregnant with his child and that he wanted "everyone to know the truth" about Monday's episode.

"I never pulled a firearm. I never displayed it," he said. "When I was packing it, I'm sure she saw it. I mean, we keep it next to the bed."

He also said Ms. Scheibe was responsible for the broken table when she started "smashing stuff, taking stuff that belonged to me, throwing it outside, throwing it out of her room, throwing it all over the house."

It may well be true that, against all his strivings, trouble stalks George Zimmerman. It may be true that George Zimmerman never pointed a shotgun at his girlfriend's face. That Ms. Scheibe smashed a table, took his stuff, started throwing it and then called 911 on herself. That she was simply being poetic when she said "you pointed your gun in my freaking face and told me get the fuck out" and then added "he knows how to do this. He knows how to play this game."

And it may be true that in September when Zimmerman's ex-wife, Shelly Zimmerman, claimed that he had punched her father and threatened them with a gun she was embellishing. That when she called 911 and said "I'm really afraid. I don't know what he's capable of. I'm really scared," she was suffering some form of hallucination.  That Zimmerman had not smashed his wife's iPad. That it was his wife that assaulted him with it. That Shelly's father had challenged Zimmerman to a fight.

And it may well be true that Trayvon Martin was empowered by a heretofore unknown strain of marijuana which confers super strength. That in a fit of Negroid rage, a boy with no criminal history, decide to ambush a hapless neighborhood watchmen. That the boy told Zimmerman "You gonna die tonight, motherfucker" punched him, banged his head against the concrete repeatedly and then reached for his gun. That in killing the boy, Zimmerman rid the world of a gun-runner and drug dealer.

And it may well be that George Zimmerman is yet another victim of the nefarious forces of  black privilege. That  he is helpless against the hordes of hyper-violent blacks, crazed women and the machinations of Eric Holder. That George Zimmerman continuing to live armed is evidence of sane public policy and a polite society.

Only God knows what George Zimmerman did on that rainy night in Sanford. God is not in the habit of talking--because we are not in the habit of listening.

[CountDeMoney]

The real problem with George Zimmerman is the people writing about George Zimmerman.

lulz, "Negroid rage".

[Berkut]

Pretty decent opinion piece right there. He is pretty much spot on in regards to Zimmerman and the idea that "George Zimmerman continuing to live armed is evidence of sane public policy and a polite society. "

I think he is making an excellent point. The idea that we are all safer because there are a couple million armed George Zimmermans out there is ridiculous enough to warrant some demagoguery.

[Valmy]

Very few black people were shocked by the lamentable return of George Zimmerman to the headlines:

Was anybody who was familiar with this guy's rap sheet?

[CountDeMoney]

The idea that we are all safer because there are a couple million armed George Zimmermans out there is ridiculous enough to warrant some demagoguery.

Well, yeah.  You just can't be black when you do it, though.

[OttoVonBismarck]

Pretty decent opinion piece right there. He is pretty much spot on in regards to Zimmerman and the idea that "George Zimmerman continuing to live armed is evidence of sane public policy and a polite society. "

That isn't really a good point. You can either say people shouldn't be allowed to freely own guns or they should. But if you think people should be allowed to own guns, there isn't really much you could use to deny them to Zimmerman that would make sense. He has no criminal convictions on his record, zero. The worst thing he has on his record is a misdemeanor he was arrested for and that was dismissed because he entered a pre-trial diversion program. If you oppose private gun ownership, then Zimmerman is irrelevant to that. Coates by associating Zimmerman with public policy is saying there is something about Zimmerman specifically that makes letting him have guns a bad idea. But that makes no sense, if you don't believe people should have guns then things specific about Zimmerman are irrelevant. If you believe only Zimmerman himself should be denied guns you'd need to explain why. I doubt any argument would hold water, because it's hard to argue for taking away a right you believe people should have in general from people who are accused but never convicted of crimes.

I think he is making an excellent point. The idea that we are all safer because there are a couple million armed George Zimmermans out there is ridiculous enough to warrant some demagoguery.

I don't think the idea that people believe we are safer because of George Zimmerman is actually a mainstream enough idea to warrant writing about it in such a way. As always, the left loves to make it seem like the craziest aspects of the right are mainstream. It's akin to me arguing Kucinich or PETA are good representatives of what the left is about.

[CountDeMoney]

I don't think the idea that people believe we are safer because of George Zimmerman is actually a mainstream enough idea to warrant writing about it in such a way. As always, the left loves to make it seem like the craziest aspects of the right are mainstream. It's akin to me arguing Kucinich or PETA are good representatives of what the left is about.

States whose laws permit individuals with rap sheets like Zimmerman--restraining orders stemming from domestic violence, arrests for assaulting a police officer, and undergoing court-ordered treatment for alcohol--to legally possess and carry concealed weapons is pretty mainstream enough to write about exactly how fucking crazy it is.

[OttoVonBismarck]

States whose laws permit individuals with rap sheets like Zimmerman--restraining orders stemming from domestic violence, arrests for assaulting a police officer, and undergoing court-ordered treatment for alcohol--to legally possess and carry concealed weapons is pretty mainstream enough to write about exactly how fucking crazy it is.

In his case, a judge actually granted both him and his ex the restraining order, so it was mutually granted. In many States when you have a DV restraining order out you have to forfeit your firearms, but it's never a permanent thing to my knowledge.

I'm not aware of any State in the country where, as of the night he shot Martin, Zimmerman would have been prohibited from owning or keeping firearms based on his non-conviction based arrest in which he got into a scuffle with an ABC officer and his four year old DV restraining order which was expired at the time.

Not all States allow carry permissively like Florida does, but there aren't any States where Zimmerman would be prohibited from simply owning and keeping firearms.

[Berkut]

Pretty decent opinion piece right there. He is pretty much spot on in regards to Zimmerman and the idea that "George Zimmerman continuing to live armed is evidence of sane public policy and a polite society. "

That isn't really a good point. You can either say people shouldn't be allowed to freely own guns or they should.

I think the point is more about culture than it is about the law.

[CountDeMoney]

I'm not aware of any State in the country where, as of the night he shot Martin, Zimmerman would have been prohibited from owning or keeping firearms based on his non-conviction based arrest in which he got into a scuffle with an ABC officer and his four year old DV restraining order which was expired at the time.

Not all States allow carry permissively like Florida does, but there aren't any States where Zimmerman would be prohibited from simply owning and keeping firearms.

Funny how I didn't write "simply owning and keeping firearms".  I wrote "possess and carry concealed weapons".   George Zimmerman had--and still has--no business carrying a firearm outside the home.

C'mon, Otto.  While I can appreciate the effort to twist concealed carry issues into the usual 2nd Amendment argument, you're smarter than using the usual mouthbreather NRA reverb techniques.  Don't be 11Bravo.  Don't be that guy.

[derspiess]

Poor Seedy

[CountDeMoney]

Pfft, I'm not a young black male in Florida.  I'm safe as shit.