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Obama 'gutting military' by purging generals

Started by Siege, October 31, 2013, 12:52:22 PM

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Sheilbh

Quote from: grumbler on January 14, 2014, 02:03:28 PM
Exactly.  The line is still funny, but it comes from Gates being tone deaf, not from him "spinning the meeting in a different direction for political purposes" (whatever that means).  I am not surprised that some tribal members can't see this because they are desperate to accuse Gates of political motivations (for their own partisan reasons), but I should have thought that you, Sheilbh, would see the difference between being tone-deaf and "spinning... for political purposes."
I don't think he's spinning for political purposes, I've not said that. I think it's a bit lacking in self-awareness which is why it's funny. It's Captain Reynaud :lol:

Also I think Obama's line is more about people spinning it into a more momentous meeting than it was for the purpose of selling memoirs, not political spin.
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crazy canuck

Quote from: grumbler on January 14, 2014, 02:03:28 PM
some tribal members can't see this because they are desperate to accuse Gates of political motivations (for their own partisan reasons

If your argument requires that statement to be true, you may wish to reconsider making the argument.

derspiess

But it is true.  A lot of folks here immediately circle the wagons around Obama the minute something unfavorable is said about him.
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grumbler

Quote from: Sheilbh on January 14, 2014, 02:14:14 PM
I don't think he's spinning for political purposes, I've not said that. I think it's a bit lacking in self-awareness which is why it's funny. It's Captain Reynaud :lol:

Also I think Obama's line is more about people spinning it into a more momentous meeting than it was for the purpose of selling memoirs, not political spin.

Exactly.
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grumbler

Quote from: crazy canuck on January 14, 2014, 02:14:34 PM
Quote from: grumbler on January 14, 2014, 02:03:28 PM
some tribal members can't see this because they are desperate to accuse Gates of political motivations (for their own partisan reasons

If your argument requires that statement to be true, you may wish to reconsider making the argument.

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crazy canuck

Quote from: grumbler on January 14, 2014, 02:18:46 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on January 14, 2014, 02:14:14 PM
I don't think he's spinning for political purposes, I've not said that. I think it's a bit lacking in self-awareness which is why it's funny. It's Captain Reynaud :lol:

Also I think Obama's line is more about people spinning it into a more momentous meeting than it was for the purpose of selling memoirs, not political spin.

Exactly.

:lmfao:

Jacob

Quote from: derspiess on January 14, 2014, 02:16:56 PM
But it is true.  A lot of folks here immediately circle the wagons around Obama the minute something unfavorable is said about him.

Like Sheilbh?  :huh:

Jacob

Quote from: Sheilbh on January 14, 2014, 02:14:14 PMI don't think he's spinning for political purposes, I've not said that. I think it's a bit lacking in self-awareness which is why it's funny. It's Captain Reynaud :lol:

Also I think Obama's line is more about people spinning it into a more momentous meeting than it was for the purpose of selling memoirs, not political spin.

Pretty much, yeah.

And thinking that is basically the same as character assassinating Gates. Anyone objective can tell you that.

grumbler

Quote from: Jacob on January 14, 2014, 03:08:46 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on January 14, 2014, 02:14:14 PMI don't think he's spinning for political purposes, I've not said that. I think it's a bit lacking in self-awareness which is why it's funny. It's Captain Reynaud :lol:

Also I think Obama's line is more about people spinning it into a more momentous meeting than it was for the purpose of selling memoirs, not political spin.

Pretty much, yeah.

And thinking that is basically the same as character assassinating Gates. Anyone objective can tell you that.

Anyone objective could tell you that "the purpose of selling memoirs, not political spin" is pretty much the opposite of "spinning the meeting in a different direction for political purposes." 

Now that you have abandoned both contentions to which I had taken exception, I am going to predict you will pretend that you didn't make either contention to begin with.  :lol:
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Bayraktar!

derspiess

Quote from: Jacob on January 14, 2014, 03:06:57 PM
Quote from: derspiess on January 14, 2014, 02:16:56 PM
But it is true.  A lot of folks here immediately circle the wagons around Obama the minute something unfavorable is said about him.

Like Sheilbh?  :huh:

Why not?
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

Jacob

Quote from: grumbler on January 14, 2014, 03:18:41 PM
Now that you have abandoned both contentions to which I had taken exception, I am going to predict you will pretend that you didn't make either contention to begin with.  :lol:

:lol:

Jacob

Quote from: derspiess on January 14, 2014, 03:19:44 PM
Quote from: Jacob on January 14, 2014, 03:06:57 PM
Quote from: derspiess on January 14, 2014, 02:16:56 PM
But it is true.  A lot of folks here immediately circle the wagons around Obama the minute something unfavorable is said about him.

Like Sheilbh?  :huh:

Why not?

Why not indeed. Sheilbh is a notorious Obama partisan in these parts.

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I agree with Grumbler too - Leonidas was a cockbite.  Grumbler deserved that promotion.
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DGuller

Quote from: Jacob on January 14, 2014, 04:39:00 PM
Quote from: grumbler on January 14, 2014, 03:18:41 PM
Now that you have abandoned both contentions to which I had taken exception, I am going to predict you will pretend that you didn't make either contention to begin with.  :lol:

:lol:
:mad: