Obama 'gutting military' by purging generals

[Josquius]

No.

[crazy canuck]

I thought only subordinates could get senior officers fired in the US.  I will have to consider the extent to which Hans has been feeding us misinformation all these years.

[Ed Anger]

I thought only subordinates could get senior officers fired in the US.  I will have to consider the extent to which Hans has been feeding us misinformation all these years.

That captain who won the MOH bitched enough about the lack of fire support that two generals got reprimanded.

[crazy canuck]

I thought only subordinates could get senior officers fired in the US.  I will have to consider the extent to which Hans has been feeding us misinformation all these years.

That captain who won the MOH bitched enough about the lack of fire support that two generals got reprimanded.

Only a reprimand?  Obviously lightweights who didn't take Hans' course on how to cack a superior.

[Razgovory]

I stopped reading when I read "Obama's strategy to reduce America's standing."  Either their editor's so bad that they completely left out the word "force" at the end, or else it's getting into tinfoil hat territory.

Either way, short of actually framing these officers, this shit should get them fired.  Also, whine all you want about purges, but if that high a percentage of the officers at the top have gotten it into their heads that this kind of behavior's acceptable, maybe a purge is exactly what is needed.

It's world net daily, it is tin hat territory.

[Razgovory]

PRE-EMPTIVE TL;DR: 8 of these 9 "political firings" are either well-documented and fully justified on their own merits or highly misreported.  Also, their editors fail at English vocabulary.

So in short, Siege gets hoodwinked again.

[Siege]

Why am I wasting my time with DontKnowBanana?

PRE-EMPTIVE TL;DR: 8 of these 9 "political firings" are either well-documented and fully justified on their own merits or highly misreported.  Also, their editors fail at English vocabulary.

What do you mean by this shit and this behavior?

Seems to me that if we take the reporting as true, the sackings were groundless for the most part.

I have a hard time taking the reporting as true when it's not even coherent.  I also don't see how you could call these "groundless."  Nobody would bat an eyelash at discharging a grunt for insubordination, as in the first case.

These days is easier to discharge grunts, but still, it is a long drawn process.
You have to understand that at any point in his carreer a Soldier have committed at least 2 or 3 acts of " insubordination" per month.
The US military does not train Soldiers to be robots following orders, but to be problem solvers using critical thinking.
When Bengazi went down, there was a lot that could have been done, in time, but the Whitehouse made a criminal decision.
If in combat I make a decision for my Soldiers to stand down and not aid a diferent platoon that is being engaged, my Soldiers WILL question my decision and rightly so. Criminal charges should be brought.

But hey, keep towing the party line.

On the second, here's some reporting on it from back in March:

The investigation ultimately found that the admiral had used profanity while being the subject of a shipboard roast, called a "Foc'sle Follies," and had made racially insensitive remarks on two previous occasions, officials said.

He received a "nonpunitive letter of caution" and the full inspector-general's report was ordered to be attached to the admiral's service record, where it will block his chances at promotion or future command, officials said.

The officials noted that the results of the nonjudicial punishment hearing, or Admiral's Mast, which was held on Monday in Washington, will now be reviewed up the chain of command, and more serious administrative measures against Admiral Gaouette could still be ordered.

One Navy official familiar with the case also noted that "being cleared of charges doesn't mean he's exonerated. And it certainly doesn't mean his conduct was found to be in keeping with that expected of a strike group commander."

Basically, the letter of caution from the Inspector General's office had him blocked from commanding again, so I suspect the overall firing had more to do with that fact, that they had a useless admiral who couldn't actually command anything, rather than upping the ante on his discipline- speculation, yes, but an informed guess. 

What profanity and what racially insensitive remarks?
Are you so retarded that you don't know that in the military we use profanity and all kinds of racial jokes all the fucking time?
If there is a case here of clear scapegoating is this case. No doubt.
But I want to know the exact words he used.

Third case: Baker.  Per WND's own story:

He was relieved of his command by Ham for allegedly groping a civilian. However, there has been no assault or sexual misconduct charge filed against him with the military Judge Advocates General's Office.

Not only did they take it seriously enough to remove him from command, but it was by one of the other guys they're claiming were scapegoated!

Yes, can you believe the pressure from the Top to force a this shit to happen?
By the way, IF there was groping, that would be sexual assault, not harassment, and it would be grounds for dismissal. However, the fishy part is that no charges were filed. In the military we have the restricted report and unrestricted report of sexual harassment/assault, but only unrestricted report can be used to punish the assaulter, and it ALWAYS goes through JAG. This is fishy as fuck.

Army Brig. Gen. Bryan Roberts, who took command of Fort Jackson in 2011, was relieved of duty and fired for alleged adultery. While the charge remains in the United States Code of Military Justice, it has rarely been used since the days of President Bill Clinton's affair with Monica Lewinsky.

Sure, but the name Petraeus ring a bell?  Just because the charge isn't used that often doesn't mean it isn't a career-ender.  Sometimes, the officer just sees the writing on the wall and resigns before the charge is officially brought.

OK man. You win this one. Now do we know the details, how did THEY found about the adultery? Was it the wife filling or, maybe, just like in Petraeus case, did the Whitehouse read the General's e-mails?????

Sturdevant had complained about getting supplies to his command. Yet, he was one of two commanding officers fired from the military for alleged failure to use proper force protection at the camp after 15 Taliban fighters attacked the camp on Sep. 14, 2012, resulting in the deaths of two Marines.

A lapse in base security ultimately falls on the base commander?  Color me shocked.

Dude, I don't even know where to start with this one. Deep breathe.
Ok man, this is how it works. It doesn't matter how much you secure your post, you will still get hit. You cannot put every swinging dick on the walls and towers, because you still have missions to do, patrols and shit, so you have to rotate the personel on forcepro (Force protection). In the end, the enemy will find your weakness, and will achieve surprise on your ass. You try everything you can to prevent this, and in my opinion, a well rehearsed reaction plan is your best bet. Bases are fixed positions, and in the current asymmetrical conflicts you will never have the manpower you need to maintain the ForcePro density you are required by the Book.

Bottomline, scapegoat.

Marine Corps Major Gen. Charles M. M. Gurganus was regional commander in the Southwest and I Marine Expeditionary Force in Afghanistan. Gurganus had received the Defense Superior Service Medal, two Legion of Merit with Valor and three Meritorious Service Commendations.

His indiscretion? Gurganus questioned having to use Afghan security patrols alongside American patrols after two of his officers were executed at their desk and a platoon was led into an ambush.

Hey, this sounds purely political!  Oh wait, he was actually the second one fired along with Sturdevant.  Still, lax security?  Sounds trumped-up.  Nobody loses every battle.

So, are you telling me that after you lose two of your officers and one platoon is led into an ambush you would not consider pulling the plug on joint patrols?
You must be very brave. Or not care about the safety of your Soldiers.

The result: eight Harrier attack jets worth $200 million were destroyed, the worst loss of U.S. airpower in a single incident since Vietnam. And two marines were killed from the shrapnel of rocket propelled grenades.

Oh.  15 Taliban fighters took out 8 Harriers before a camp of Army and Marine personnel were able to put them down?  Do the math.

Yes, I am doing the math.
15 Talibs infiltrate base, reach airfield, destroy planes, but managed to kill ONLY two marines despite having the element of surprise, and then only with RPGs.

Army Lt. Gen. David Holmes Huntoon Jr. served as the 58th superintendent of the U.S. Military Academy at West Point, N.Y. While serving in Senior Planning and Education Services, he was "censored" for an investigation into an "improper relationship," the Defense Department said. Yet, there was no mention on the nature of the improper relationship or whether an actual investigation ever took place.

Tinfoil.  At this point, not only are you accusing Obama of pressing an agenda, you're accusing most of the DoD brass of libel!

The DoD is led by civilians appointed by Obama. They are part of the Admin.

Among the commendations, Giardina earned six Legions of Merit, two Meritorious Service Medals and two Joint Service Commendation Medals. However, he was removed after coming under criminal investigation for the alleged use of counterfeit gambling chips while playing poker at a western Iowa casino.

This one I remember without sourcing, but I did it anyway, and he was actually not fired, but reassigned (read: demoted) after damning evidence in a criminal investigation was brought up about him.  In this case, calling it political hardball is just flat-out whacky.  If anything, they're showing going soft by not whacking him harder.

If he really use counterfeit gambling chips, knowingly, he is done. Clear violation of the Army Values and UCMJ.
But by now I'm doubting everything. Its what happens when you work on a politically charged environment.

Carey's dismissal is a mystery, true, but so far, that's the exception, not the rule.  That brings us to Petraeus, Allen, and McChrystal, which got so much coverage that I don't really feel I need to cough up source after source.  Petraeus and Allen done fucked up, and there's nothing "alleged" about that, they both flat-out admitted they done fucked up. 

In fact, Allen was offered NATO command, and turned it down, so it's not like The Illuminati conspired to completely remove this outspoken critic from any post of real authority.

Ok, and how was Petraeus caught? Because the Whitehouse got into his personal e-mails.
Same with Allen.

Last, but not least, McChrystal:

Gen. Stanley McCrystal[sic] was fired by Obama for alleged comments he made in a Rolling Stone magazine article.

Holy fucking tinfoil, Batman.  First, they're so outraged that they didn't even get McChrystal's name right, but also, these comments aren't alleged; they were published!  Grab a dictionary before you put out more accidentally (I hope) disingenuous statements, guys!

Never liked McCrystal. Grunts hated his guts because all the stupid risks he forced the troops on the ground to take. Like missions with no air or artillery support. But yeah, McChrystal was a dissident. Too bad he said it to the press.

[Ancient Demon]

Siege, please provide a summary of what you think Barack Obama's goals are regarding the US military.

[Darth Wagtaros]

Well he hates Freedom, America, the Military, the West, Christianity, Judaism, and capitalism.  So really Obama won't be satisfied until all are destroyed.

[Ed Anger]

Clearly setting us up for a UN takeover.

[Darth Wagtaros]

Yes, after all, the UN is a major power in its own right.  They have an army, a huge budget, and absolute unquestioning support from most nations.

[Ed Anger]

Their strongly worded letters make leaders shake.

[Razgovory]

I like how Benghazi was criminal but failure to secure a base, or some taliban wander into a base and blow up some jets, well that's just "shit happens".

Oh and the "whitehouse" didn't rifle through Petraeus's emails, the FBI did after they got complaints that someone was sending threeating emails, and they tracked it to his address.

[Alcibiades]

False Raz.


Anytime anything happens that people don't like, Obama did it.



Thanks Obama.   

[Eddie Teach]

Obama took the last Coke.