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At last a dating site for the rest of us

Started by Savonarola, October 29, 2013, 10:00:23 AM

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Savonarola

QuoteThe most crass dating app ever?

(CNN) -- "There's only one method of manipulation that has stood the test of time," begins the press release issued by Carrot Dating, a new dating app developed by MIT grad Brandon Wade. "Bribery."

In fact, it's this alleged truism -- which, by the way, isn't true at all given that highly effective methods of manipulation such as lying, rationalization, denial and guilt are still very much going strong -- that inspired Carrot Dating, "the world's first bribe-for-a-date app."

This app lets users entice potential partners into romantic outings by offering them gifts such as "plastic surgery or a tank of gas," because "messaging may get her interested, but bribery will get you a date."

Good god.

It's pretty clear the founders of this app, not to mention the author of the press release, are actively courting outrage -- a quote from the founder reads, goadingly, "Women like presents like dog like treats." But the fact that this level of misogyny is being monetized and marketed and put into practice is disturbing.

Someone, after all, gave this guy the funds to build the app and its companion website; Wade told reporters Carrot already has 30,000 users of both genders signed up. And misogynistic it is: Although women can bribe men to go out with them, too, taglines that include "Dangle Your Carrot!" imply which scenario Carrot Dating is aiming at.

Perhaps Wade is just trying to be cheeky. This isn't, after all, the first time he's been called a misogynist or sought to monetize sexism.

Carrot is just the latest in a fleet of dating sites Wade has founded. They include SeekingArrangements.com, a "sugar daddy dating" site that pairs young women with rich, older men; WhatsYourPrice.com, where men bid on dates with women; and MissTravel.com, which links up "attractive" women with "generous" men who want a travel companion.

All three have been accused of promoting prostitution, or at least a prostitutory ethos, and that's become something of a go-to for Wade. He gets bolder, not to mention richer, with every launch and with every piece of corresponding publicity, even if it's negative -- and unsurprisingly, most of it is.

Such misogyny, even if employed as part of a marketing strategy or a business shtick, has considerable effects, none of which should be taken lightly. Misogyny is a serious form of bullying directed explicitly at women. Over time, it affects the way women think about themselves.

By casting men as the chasers and women as the chased, the values and actions encouraged by Carrot Dating promote sexism, violence against women and other gender imbalances that men and women have worked for years to counter. A 2007 study published in the Journal of Applied Psychology even found that vicarious exposure to misogyny, just simply witnessing such hostility against others, can create lower well-being among those not directly harassed.

Carrot Dating claims to be performing a service; that is, motivating people to go on dates with those they otherwise might reject, thereby removing some of the existing barriers to romance and "opening minds." Wade says Carrot Dating is entirely modern, set to even the playing field in a world where, he says, women have the upper hand and their pick of men.

But his app seeks to do this by validating the notion that it's normal to expect something from a date other than, say, good conversation or pleasant company; that going on a date should only happen if there's something material in it for you. Not exactly a recipe for true love.

But, then, Carrot Dating isn't really about opening people's minds and expanding their options. Or about true love.

It's about stirring up controversy, with hapless Carrot Dating users. At the same time, what he's stirring up is not victimless controversy. At its core, Carrot reinforces the notion that women can, and should, be bought -- the same attitude, by the way, that has made human trafficking a $34 billion business.

The upside: One could argue that sites such as Carrot Dating satisfy a certain, very specific demographic and serve to connect only like-minded singles. The site may be crass, superficial and self-loathing, but then again so are many people. Why not let them mate? Or at least meet.

The more of these people who date each other using sites such as Carrot, the fewer of them remain among those who might be looking for more in a partner than a free haircut or a new nose. Those who are attracted to Carrot Dating, or sites like it, know what they're getting. As for everyone else, well, at least they know what they're not.

I love the phrase "A Prostitutory Ethos." I think I'll call my film studies dissertation "Pimpin' Hos and Clockin' the Grip: Gender Roles and Prostitutory Ethos in the film 'Dolemite'."

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The Brain

What's wrong with paying for it? Dates don't grow on trees.
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DGuller

 :hmm: Do you have to get them an actual tank of gas, or can you just pay for their next fill-up?

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Malthus

Quote from: DGuller on October 29, 2013, 02:11:07 PM
:hmm: Do you have to get them an actual tank of gas, or can you just pay for their next fill-up?

Well, the police would probably frown on you if you were to give them the tank of gas by pouring it over them and setting it alight.  :hmm:
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Ideologue

#7
God, the article really underlines a lot of what's wrong with leftism today--or at least feminism--namely considering humans so weak that practically any interaction between them is bound to have some sort of negative consequences, and puffing up behavior that is simply lame to the status of behavior that is evil.

Yet it overlooks the key deficiency of Carrot: overtly bribing a woman to go on a date with you is fucking pathetic and no woman is likely to be very attracted to you if you engage in it, and if that's the case is there really any reason not to just hire a prostitute?
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Admiral Yi

Quote from: Ideologue on October 29, 2013, 03:39:54 PM
Yet it overlooks the key deficiency of Carrot: overtly bribing a woman to go on a date with you is fucking pathetic and no woman is likely to be very attracted to it.

The key deficiency is that you are bribing a woman for the privilege of buying them dinner with no guarantee of wiener action.

Ideologue

Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 29, 2013, 03:42:37 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on October 29, 2013, 03:39:54 PM
Yet it overlooks the key deficiency of Carrot: overtly bribing a woman to go on a date with you is fucking pathetic and no woman is likely to be very attracted to it.

The key deficiency is that you are bribing a woman for the privilege of buying them dinner with no guarantee of wiener action.

Which is fucking pathetic and the woman isn't likely to give any.  I think we agree.
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CountDeMoney

Quote from: Ideologue on October 29, 2013, 03:39:54 PM
God, the article really underlines a lot of what's wrong with leftism today--or at least feminism--namely considering humans so weak that practically any interaction between them is bound to have some sort of negative consequences, and puffing up behavior that is simply lame to the status of behavior that is evil.

A proper feminist would be delighted in the empowerment of women through the countless number of "skin for gifts" websites that more entrepreneurial young camgirls have set up over the years, instead of getting torqued up over mutually beneficial dating sites.

Malthus

Quote from: Ideologue on October 29, 2013, 03:39:54 PM
God, the article really underlines a lot of what's wrong with leftism today--or at least feminism--namely considering humans so weak that practically any interaction between them is bound to have some sort of negative consequences, and puffing up behavior that is simply lame to the status of behavior that is evil.

Yet it overlooks the key deficiency of Carrot: overtly bribing a woman to go on a date with you is fucking pathetic and no woman is likely to be very attracted to you if you engage in it, and if that's the case is there really any reason not to just hire a prostitute?

There is no level of pathetic-ness some guys will not sink to, to get laid.

Fortunately, that fact is matched by the fact that there is no level of degredation some women will not sink to, to get free stuff.  :P 

Truly the stuff of romance!  :lol:
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane—Marcus Aurelius

Savonarola

Quote from: Ideologue on October 29, 2013, 03:39:54 PM
God, the article really underlines a lot of what's wrong with leftism today--or at least feminism--namely considering humans so weak that practically any interaction between them is bound to have some sort of negative consequences, and puffing up behavior that is simply lame to the status of behavior that is evil.

The article goes through the looking glass the way that only academia can (the author is a professor at Cornell.)  I like the part about this app leading to domestic violence.  THINK OF THE CONSEQUENCES, AMERICA!
In Italy, for thirty years under the Borgias, they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love, they had five hundred years of democracy and peace—and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock

Malthus

Quote from: Savonarola on October 29, 2013, 04:14:42 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on October 29, 2013, 03:39:54 PM
God, the article really underlines a lot of what's wrong with leftism today--or at least feminism--namely considering humans so weak that practically any interaction between them is bound to have some sort of negative consequences, and puffing up behavior that is simply lame to the status of behavior that is evil.

The article goes through the looking glass the way that only academia can (the author is a professor at Cornell.)  I like the part about this app leading to domestic violence.  THINK OF THE CONSEQUENCES, AMERICA!

The sooner one admits that everything leads to violence against women, the better.  :hmm:
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane—Marcus Aurelius