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Started by Savonarola, October 22, 2013, 02:15:32 PM

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Habbaku

#390
February 11, 2019, 01:41:23 PM
She's paid off by Putin, so it's not surprising that she's touting the party line on that.

The Green Party are useful idiots for anti-Americanism these days. Any serious Green proposal will be channeled through the Democrats.
The medievals were only too right in taking nolo episcopari as the best reason a man could give to others for making him a bishop. Give me a king whose chief interest in life is stamps, railways, or race-horses; and who has the power to sack his Vizier (or whatever you care to call him) if he does not like the cut of his trousers.

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derspiess

#391
February 13, 2019, 11:00:47 AM
China denies a WSJ report that it has been meeting with Guaido representatives in DC, which means that China has probably been meeting with Guaido representatives in DC.
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

Habbaku

#392
February 13, 2019, 11:05:38 AM
If China's meeting with Guaido's reps, I would think Maduro's either on the way out, or they're hedging their bets.
The medievals were only too right in taking nolo episcopari as the best reason a man could give to others for making him a bishop. Give me a king whose chief interest in life is stamps, railways, or race-horses; and who has the power to sack his Vizier (or whatever you care to call him) if he does not like the cut of his trousers.

Government is an abstract noun meaning the art and process of governing and it should be an offence to write it with a capital G or so as to refer to people.
-J. R. R. Tolkien

derspiess

#393
February 13, 2019, 11:23:03 AM
Yep, probably hedging.  They have loans and investments they want to try and preserve. 
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

derspiess

#394
February 25, 2019, 12:40:32 PM
Not sure how much this made "the news" this weekend but Saturday was a big day in Venezuela.  It was announced ahead of time that Trucks carrying humanitarian aid from the US, Canada, Brazil, and Colombia would enter Venezuela through several border crossings along Venezuela's border with Colombia and Brazil.  Maduro closed both borders and deployed his National Guard and militia to keep the aid convoys out.

Apparently one convoy successfully got through at one point, but the rest were stopped, and in at least a couple instances the aid trucks were set on fire by the pro-Maduro side.  There were some pretty emotional confrontations throughout the day.  The aid packages burning was a pretty ugly visual.  And I saw some footage of Venezuelan military police chasing down an aid truck and executing the driver.

Pence is meeting with the Lima Group today to determine next steps.  Sounds like more diplomatic pressure and/or sanctions. 
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

Valmy

#395
February 25, 2019, 12:48:35 PM
Quote from: derspiess on February 25, 2019, 12:40:32 PM
Not sure how much this made "the news" this weekend but Saturday was a big day in Venezuela.  It was announced ahead of time that Trucks carrying humanitarian aid from the US, Canada, Brazil, and Colombia would enter Venezuela through several border crossings along Venezuela's border with Colombia and Brazil.  Maduro closed both borders and deployed his National Guard and militia to keep the aid convoys out.

Apparently one convoy successfully got through at one point, but the rest were stopped, and in at least a couple instances the aid trucks were set on fire by the pro-Maduro side.  There were some pretty emotional confrontations throughout the day.  The aid packages burning was a pretty ugly visual.  And I saw some footage of Venezuelan military police chasing down an aid truck and executing the driver.

A real man of the people that Maduro.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

FunkMonk

#396
February 25, 2019, 12:49:59 PM
But those aid trucks were really smuggling in weapons from the CIA, you see
Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

frunk

#397
February 25, 2019, 01:05:16 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on February 25, 2019, 12:49:59 PM
But those aid trucks were really smuggling in weapons from the CIA, you see

The weapons happened to be made out of bread and peanut butter.

derspiess

#398
February 25, 2019, 01:12:21 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on February 25, 2019, 12:49:59 PM
But those aid trucks were really smuggling in weapons from the CIA, you see

Ah yes-- I heard that on Twitter  :mellow:

Like we don't have less obvious ways of getting weapons in the country.
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

Threviel

#399
February 26, 2019, 01:24:54 AM
If they are executing the drivers, who are the drivers? I would think that external aid would be driving in with not-venezuelan drivers.

The Minsky Moment

#400
February 26, 2019, 02:56:04 AM
Quote from: derspiess on February 11, 2019, 01:34:29 PM
Jill Stein is doubling down on Maduro.  She's calling Guaido's party "rightwing" (they're center-left and a member of the Socialist International) and spouting all sorts of other crap on Twitter.

#jillgonnajill

Jill Stein is like a broken clock that moves its hands twice a day just to be certain it's always wrong.
The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists.
--Joan Robinson

Admiral Yi

#401
February 26, 2019, 03:25:10 AM
he he

derspiess

#402
February 26, 2019, 08:27:49 AM
Quote from: Threviel on February 26, 2019, 01:24:54 AM
If they are executing the drivers, who are the drivers? I would think that external aid would be driving in with not-venezuelan drivers.

Good question-- I'll see if I can find out.  My guess is they're Venezuelan.  A lot of the aid workers involved with the effort were in fact Venezuelan citizens.  I'm sure they found some that could drive trucks.
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

Threviel

#403
February 26, 2019, 02:54:47 PM
Quote from: derspiess on February 26, 2019, 08:27:49 AM
Quote from: Threviel on February 26, 2019, 01:24:54 AM
If they are executing the drivers, who are the drivers? I would think that external aid would be driving in with not-venezuelan drivers.

Good question-- I'll see if I can find out.  My guess is they're Venezuelan.  A lot of the aid workers involved with the effort were in fact Venezuelan citizens.  I'm sure they found some that could drive trucks.

It's just that if Venezuela is so fucked up that the truck drivers risk being shot it would probably be safer to go with colombian och brazilian drivers. Or even US drivers, I have a hard time believing that US citizens would be shot.

Valmy

#404
February 26, 2019, 02:56:49 PM
Damn. You would have to pay me enough to retire on for me to drive one of those trucks.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."
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