Obamacare and you

[Berkut]

Berkut hates transparent government.  His journey toward the dark side is complete.

I think transaprent government would be great. But I am not going to single out Obamacare as being the example of it not existing. None of it is transparent, because our system punishes transparency...mostly because of an electorate that is largely ignorant.

And Spicey, your tribe is by far, BY FAR, the more to blame for the embrace of ignorance and stupidity as a noble virtue.

[The Minsky Moment]

Gruber isn't relevant? He's one of the architects of the ACA. 

The architects of the ACA were Heritage and Mitt Romney.
And they are super non-relevant.

[Admiral Yi]

Is that true?  My understanding is Romneycare originated in the legislature and he signed it somewhat grudgingly.

[The Minsky Moment]

Is that true?  My understanding is Romneycare originated in the legislature and he signed it somewhat grudgingly.

So his right hand was reluctant but his left hand made him do it?   

[Admiral Yi]

So his right hand was reluctant but his left hand made him do it?   

I don't get it.  Are you unfamiliar with the concept of going along with something grudgingly?

[derspiess]

I think transaprent government would be great. But I am not going to single out Obamacare as being the example of it not existing. None of it is transparent, because our system punishes transparency...mostly because of an electorate that is largely ignorant.

I single out Obamacare because 1) it's about as un-transparent legislation as you can get, and 2) Obama promised unprecedented transparency when he was elected.  I'd like to think the old Berkut would have been dismayed by the lack of transparency.

And Spicey, your tribe is by far, BY FAR, the more to blame for the embrace of ignorance and stupidity as a noble virtue.

Now that stung

[Berkut]

I think transaprent government would be great. But I am not going to single out Obamacare as being the example of it not existing. None of it is transparent, because our system punishes transparency...mostly because of an electorate that is largely ignorant.

I single out Obamacare because 1) it's about as un-transparent legislation as you can get,

Not even close. In fact, it "untransparency" is completely transparent. Anyone who cares at all knows exactly what was "hidden" in plain sight.

I am much more concerned by lack of transparency where politiciains do things like put people who feel the EPA should be disbanded in charge of the EPA, for example.

Or refuse to confirm Attorney Generals because they aren't approved by the NRA.

and 2) Obama promised unprecedented transparency when he was elected.

Oh noes. A poltician who promised something and didn't follow through to the extent that people who hate his guts say he should have. Oh dear, what a travesty of our political system.

I'd like to think the old Berkut would have been dismayed by the lack of transparency.

Every iteration of Berkut would laugh at the idea that THIS is the gold standard for offensive lack of transparency, and every one would, as always, laugh at the idea that you are motivated by anything other than your hatred for the purple drazi. You could not care less about transparency, or you would be bitching about it when it was someone other than the hated black guy supposedly doing it..but no, that isn't the case, now is it?

And Spicey, your tribe is by far, BY FAR, the more to blame for the embrace of ignorance and stupidity as a noble virtue.

Now that stung

I suspect you will get over it.

[derspiess]

  Okay, man.

[DGuller]

I don't have many regrets in my life, but coming up with the Drazi analogy on this forum was one of them.   

[alfred russel]

And Spicey, your tribe is by far, BY FAR, the more to blame for the embrace of ignorance and stupidity as a noble virtue.

Those with just a high school education or less are disproportionately not in his tribe, and those with a college degree are disproportionately in it.

[sbr]

And Spicey, your tribe is by far, BY FAR, the more to blame for the embrace of ignorance and stupidity as a noble virtue.

Those with just a high school education or less are disproportionately not in his tribe, and those with a college degree are disproportionately in it.

[Sheilbh]

I don't get it.  Are you unfamiliar with the concept of going along with something grudgingly?

He proposed it. Yes it was under political pressure but the essential of Romneycare were proposed by him and it was a middle way between the more state-based lower house and the far less ambitious state Senate version (they wanted to cut the number uninsured in half).

He subsequently tried to spin his way out of it rather than realising he'd always be associated with it so he might as well try and make it a virtue. But that's Romney

[grumbler]

I don't have many regrets in my life, but coming up with the Drazi analogy on this forum was one of them. 

Actually, it's from Babylon 5.  I don't even think you  were a member here when that analogy was first used here.

[DGuller]

Actually, it's from Babylon 5.

Actually, Babylon 5 was a TV show.

I don't even think you  were a member here when that analogy was first used here.

I'm pretty sure that I was the one who first used it here, and yes, I was a member here at that time.  It was co-opted very quickly by the self-congratulatory duo here, though.

[Berkut]

I don't have many regrets in my life, but coming up with the Drazi analogy on this forum was one of them.   

Oh look, the fanatic is coming out to defend his fellow fanatic from the non-fanatics. What a shock.

I certainly don't regret my ability to get the nutbar left and the nutbar right to agree on *something*. MoveOn and TeaParty, united in hating on the non-tribal.