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Started by Jacob, September 25, 2013, 12:59:55 PM

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What's the impact of Obamacare for you (and your family)? Assuming it doesn't get defunded or delayed, of course...

I live in a state that's embracing Obamacare and it looks like I'm set for cheaper and/or better healthcare.
9 (14.1%)
I live in a state that's embracing Obamacare and it looks like I'm going to be paying more and/or get worse coverage.
5 (7.8%)
I live in a state that's embracing Obamacare and it looks like I'm largely unaffected by Obamacare, other than the effects of the general political theatre.
6 (9.4%)
My state is embracing Obamacare, but I have no clue how it will impact me personally.
1 (1.6%)
I live in a state that's rejecting Obamacare and it looks like I'm set for cheaper and/or better healthcare.
0 (0%)
I live in a state that's rejecting Obamacare and it looks like I'm going to be paying more and/or get worse coverage.
1 (1.6%)
I live in a state that's rejecting Obamacare and it looks like I'm largely unaffected by Obamacare, other than the effects of the general political theatre.
7 (10.9%)
My state is rejecting Obamacare and I have no idea how Obamacare is going to impact me.
1 (1.6%)
The American health care system doesn't affect me, but I'm watching how the whole thing plays out with interest.
20 (31.3%)
The American health care system doesn't affect me and frankly I don't care.
8 (12.5%)
Some other option because the previous 10 were not enough...
6 (9.4%)

Total Members Voted: 63

alfred russel

Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 11, 2014, 10:46:14 AM
What's argument about the unconstitutionality of the subsidy?

It isn't the constitutionality, it is whether the law permits subsidies on the federal exchanges.

Krugman's take:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/10/opinion/paul-krugman-the-latest-frivolous-attack-on-obamacare.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&_r=1
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

There's a fine line between salvation and drinking poison in the jungle.

I'm embarrassed. I've been making the mistake of associating with you. It won't happen again. :)
-garbon, February 23, 2014

The Minsky Moment

Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 11, 2014, 10:46:14 AM
What's argument about the unconstitutionality of the subsidy?

Not constitution.  The argument is that the statutory provision setting forth the formula for the subsidy provides for a subsidy of zero if the state exchange is established and operated by HHS, and therefore no subsidy can be paid in those instances.
The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists.
--Joan Robinson

Admiral Yi

Oh right, I remember this.

citizen k



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ObamaCare Architect Admits "Lack Of Transparency" Is Huge Advantage Against "Stupidity Of The American Voter"
   Submitted by Mike Krieger via Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

Earlier today, I published a post titled, Inside the Mind of an Oligarch – Sheldon Adelson Proclaims "I Don't Like Journalism," which zeroed in on the condescending attitude oligarchs and their technocrat minions have toward the general population. I wrote:
<blockquote>The term oligarch is reserved for those with extreme wealth who also want to control the political process, policy levers and most other aspects of the lives of the citizenry in a top-down tyrannical and undemocratic manner. They think they know best about pretty much everything, and believe unelected technocrats who share their worldview should be empowered so that they can unilaterally make all of society's important decisions. The unwashed masses (plebs) in their minds are unnecessary distractions who must to be told what to do. Useless eaters who need to be brainwashed into worshipping the oligarch mindset, or turned into apathetic automatons incapable or unwilling to engage in critical thought. Either outcome is equally acceptable and equally encouraged.
</blockquote> It's quite timely that those words appeared on the site the same day that a video clip emerged of MIT economics professor, and the architect of Obamacare, Jonathan Gruber, admitting that the legislation was intentionally complex and misleading in order to pass Congress and elicit limited outrage from the "stupid" American public.
The Hill reports that:
<blockquote>An architect of the federal healthcare law said last year that a "lack of transparency" and the "stupidity of the American voter" helped Congress approve ObamaCare.

He suggested that many lawmakers and voters didn't know what was in the law or how its financing worked, and that this helped it win approval.

"Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage," Gruber said. "And basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever, but basically that was really, really critical for the thing to pass."

Gruber made the comment while discussing how the law was "written in a tortured way" to avoid a bad score from the Congressional Budget Office. He suggested that voters would have rejected ObamaCare if the penalties for going without health insurance were interpreted as taxes, either by budget analysts or the public.
</blockquote> The arrogance and destructiveness of this man knows no bounds. Look at how excited he gets, flailing his hands all over the place as he discusses the gigantic deception that is Obamacare.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G790p0LcgbI




CountDeMoney

lol, "Liberty Blitzkrieg".  FELDMARSCHALL OF FREEDOM

Berkut

Why do people insist on posting quotes from internet bloggers as if it is news or interesting or relevant to anything?

I mean, if you want to spout of anonymous opinion why not just post your own?
"If you think this has a happy ending, then you haven't been paying attention."

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citizen k

Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 12, 2014, 02:32:34 PM
lol, "Liberty Blitzkrieg".  FELDMARSCHALL OF FREEDOM

I see Ed Anger in the panzer cupola now.  :lol:

citizen k

Quote from: Berkut on November 12, 2014, 02:33:27 PM
Why do people insist on posting quotes from internet bloggers as if it is news or interesting or relevant to anything?

I mean, if you want to spout of anonymous opinion why not just post your own?

Gruber isn't relevant? He's one of the architects of the ACA.  :rolleyes:


CountDeMoney

Actually, oligarchs aren't the only ones that don't like journalism; the ignorant hate it as well.

Berkut

Quote from: citizen k on November 12, 2014, 02:39:51 PM
Quote from: Berkut on November 12, 2014, 02:33:27 PM
Why do people insist on posting quotes from internet bloggers as if it is news or interesting or relevant to anything?

I mean, if you want to spout of anonymous opinion why not just post your own?

You didn't post anything from him, you posted some dumbasses interpretation of him as if it is fact.

Gruber isn't relevant? He's one of the architects of the ACA.  :rolleyes:


"If you think this has a happy ending, then you haven't been paying attention."

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citizen k

Quote from: Berkut on November 12, 2014, 02:48:37 PM
Quote from: citizen k on November 12, 2014, 02:39:51 PM
Quote from: Berkut on November 12, 2014, 02:33:27 PM
Why do people insist on posting quotes from internet bloggers as if it is news or interesting or relevant to anything?

I mean, if you want to spout of anonymous opinion why not just post your own?

You didn't post anything from him, you posted some dumbasses interpretation of him as if it is fact.

Gruber isn't relevant? He's one of the architects of the ACA.  :rolleyes:



Then get it straight from the horse's mouth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G790p0LcgbI


Admiral Yi

Quote from: Berkut on November 12, 2014, 02:48:37 PM
The links at the bottom is to a video of Gruber speaking.
Quote from: citizen k on November 12, 2014, 02:39:51 PM
Quote from: Berkut on November 12, 2014, 02:33:27 PM
Why do people insist on posting quotes from internet bloggers as if it is news or interesting or relevant to anything?

I mean, if you want to spout of anonymous opinion why not just post your own?

You didn't post anything from him, you posted some dumbasses interpretation of him as if it is fact.

Gruber isn't relevant? He's one of the architects of the ACA.  :rolleyes:



Berkut

Quote from: citizen k on November 12, 2014, 02:50:56 PM
Quote from: Berkut on November 12, 2014, 02:48:37 PM
Quote from: citizen k on November 12, 2014, 02:39:51 PM
Quote from: Berkut on November 12, 2014, 02:33:27 PM
Why do people insist on posting quotes from internet bloggers as if it is news or interesting or relevant to anything?

I mean, if you want to spout of anonymous opinion why not just post your own?

You didn't post anything from him, you posted some dumbasses interpretation of him as if it is fact.

Gruber isn't relevant? He's one of the architects of the ACA.  :rolleyes:



Then get it straight from the horse's mouth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G790p0LcgbI



Nothing interesting their at all.

They wrote the bill in a manner to make it politically palatable. That is news to you?

Are you really that naive?
"If you think this has a happy ending, then you haven't been paying attention."

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citizen k

Quote from: Berkut on November 12, 2014, 02:52:47 PM

Are you really that naive?

No, but the American electorate is.


derspiess

Berkut hates transparent government.  His journey toward the dark side is complete.
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall