Obamacare and you

[Admiral Yi]

CNN had on a prof from MIT who was involved in writing Romneycare and Obamacare.  He explained Obama's statement about keeping the plan you have by saying they expected that people with those shitty plans would voluntarily switch once they got on the exchange and saw how much subsidy they would get.  I think that's about as good of a job as one can do with Obama's promise.

On a related note, I think calling Romneycare Romneycare is dishonest agitprop.

[derspiess]

CNN had on a prof from MIT who was involved in writing Romneycare and Obamacare.  He explained Obama's statement about keeping the plan you have by saying they expected that people with those shitty plans would voluntarily switch once they got on the exchange and saw how much subsidy they would get.  I think that's about as good of a job as one can do with Obama's promise.

Yep, and I'm sure the Soviets figured the kulaks would voluntarily collectivize once they saw how awesome collectivization was.

[Admiral Yi]

Dude, that's nuts.

[derspiess]

Yeah.

[Razgovory]

11B has no boyz.  He's in the middle & slings shit at both sides.

Raz would say he lacks moral courage.

It's true, he does.  He's not so much in the middle as being against everything.  It's a safe position to take, you can look like someone who has an interest in politics without actually being for something.  If you aren't for something, you can never be wrong.  You never have to worry about the embarrassment or heart break that comes with being wrong.  Politics is a bit like dating, you have to invest some of yourself and you'll likely get burned sometimes.  The cynic that laughs at everyone else but stand for nothing is like a person who doesn't have the courage to get in a relationship because of fear of rejection.  Instead he just goes home and jerks off.  The cynic does the same thing, except instead of massaging his gentiles he massages his ego by laughing at others who were foolish enough to support an idea or person.

That was so poignant.  Did you copy it from somewhere?

I'm glad you liked it.  I don't think 11B4 does though.

[grumbler]

You guys make trolling easy.

[derspiess]

You guys make trolling easy.

[grumbler]

The NRA are my boyz????? The Tea Party??? Who is it, since you think you know.

I'm not going down that B4 rathole.  It doesn't matter who your boyz are, they are liars.  I never said I knew who they were, just that they were liars.

and when the NRA comes back in the news, does something stupid, which they will, I'll bash them.

And when pigs fly, there will be pork in the treetops.

[grumbler]

Well ok not a complete failure, it does a few good things.  I will call it...90% of a failure.  This reform will not solve most of the problems it was supposed to fix.  Prices will continue to rise and we will continue to be in crisis.

i am not sure what you are arguing here.  You say that it is 90% a failure because it hasn't solved things that will happen in the future, when it gets implemented? 

I am not sure there is a logical construct that allows you to preemptively declare a future event a failure.

[derspiess]

And when pigs fly, there will be pork in the treetops.

They fly here in Cincy

http://www.flyingpigmarathon.com/

[grumbler]

And when pigs fly, there will be pork in the treetops.

They fly here in Cincy

http://www.flyingpigmarathon.com/

Nope.  There's no pork in the treetops.

[derspiess]

Well, there's goetta in the treetops anyway.

[KRonn]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/11/14/obama-obamacare-white-house-announcement/3525383/

Obama: Canceled plans can be kept for a year

Well, well.

Good idea for many people losing their plans but it may not be so easy to roll back. On the news it also showed the insurance companies have issued a statement that they aren't so easily able to comply, to reinstate the policies that they've been mandated to end and have been planning on doing for a while, with many ins comps deciding to leave the indidual market. Biggest thing is that by allowing these policies people like to remain that means the ACA policies aren't being purchased, which the companies have spent months putting together the plans, costs, and what ever else goes into such planning. Now the cost structure gets skewed, kind of turns things on its head, costs could go up.

And, can a President mandate like that, change the rules, given that a law is in place? Wouldn't that have to be legislated through Congress?

[merithyn]

Tell me what you'd change about Obamacare and I might answer.

No, you won't. You never do.

[merithyn]

Good idea for many people losing their plans but it may not be so easy to roll back. On the news it also showed the insurance companies have issued a statement that they aren't so easily able to comply, to reinstate the policies that they've been mandated to end and have been planning on doing for a while, with many ins comps deciding to leave the indidual market. Biggest thing is that by allowing these policies people like to remain that means the ACA policies aren't being purchased, which the companies have spent months putting together the plans, costs, and what ever else goes into such planning. Now the cost structure gets skewed, kind of turns things on its head, costs could go up.

I dunno. My company just sent out an email about that, and pretty much no one that I've seen is concerned. Change a few dates in the computer (from 12/31/2013 to 10/31/2014) for the old policy end dates and life goes on. I'm sure there's a bit more to it than that, but no one here seems overly concerned.