Obamacare and you

[Valmy]

11B has no boyz.  He's in the middle & slings shit at both sides.

Raz would say he lacks moral courage.

[alfred russel]

The urgency of working on it right away was that Republicans were going to be dead set against significant reform, and Obama needed to take advantage of majorities in both houses (and at least for a while a supermajority in the senate) plus his post election popularity. Even with those factors it barely passed.

Yeah.  He had a mandate to do something and he was handed a majority to do it.  And it was a complete failure.

I really doubt it was a complete failure.

The website may have been a failure, but that is short term. People are losing health care plans that don't meet certain standards, but that was part of the plan.

I suspect the major issue in the near term is that the penalties for the individual mandate are way too low and will seriously jack up costs. But if that doesn't really derail the plan and we muddle through, then the penalties will increase and that problem will work itself out. I don't see any other issue that causes me to think that over the long term Obamacare will fail.

[Valmy]

I really doubt it was a complete failure.

Well ok not a complete failure, it does a few good things.  I will call it...90% of a failure.  This reform will not solve most of the problems it was supposed to fix.  Prices will continue to rise and we will continue to be in crisis.

[Razgovory]

11B has no boyz.  He's in the middle & slings shit at both sides.

Raz would say he lacks moral courage.

It's true, he does.  He's not so much in the middle as being against everything.  It's a safe position to take, you can look like someone who has an interest in politics without actually being for something.  If you aren't for something, you can never be wrong.  You never have to worry about the embarrassment or heart break that comes with being wrong.  Politics is a bit like dating, you have to invest some of yourself and you'll likely get burned sometimes.  The cynic that laughs at everyone else but stand for nothing is like a person who doesn't have the courage to get in a relationship because of fear of rejection.  Instead he just goes home and jerks off.  The cynic does the same thing, except instead of massaging his gentiles he massages his ego by laughing at others who were foolish enough to support an idea or person.

[Admiral Yi]

I suspect the major issue in the near term is that the penalties for the individual mandate are way too low and will seriously jack up costs. But if that doesn't really derail the plan and we muddle through, then the penalties will increase and that problem will work itself out. I don't see any other issue that causes me to think that over the long term Obamacare will fail.

There is a chance that if penalties are raised enough, a popular backlash could develop against Obamacare.

I think it has helped Obamacare politically up to this point, and will hurt it going forward, that the targets of the individual mandate tend to be less politically aware.  At least that is my impression.

[derspiess]

massaging his gentiles

lolz

[alfred russel]

I really doubt it was a complete failure.

Well ok not a complete failure, it does a few good things.  I will call it...90% of a failure.  This reform will not solve most of the problems it was supposed to fix.  Prices will continue to rise and we will continue to be in crisis.

Obamacare is a long term restructuring of health care and key parts that haven't been implemented yet. I'd give it time.

[alfred russel]

There is a chance that if penalties are raised enough, a popular backlash could develop against Obamacare.

I think it has helped Obamacare politically up to this point, and will hurt it going forward, that the targets of the individual mandate tend to be less politically aware.  At least that is my impression.

On the flip side, there are significant subsidies available to many people that people seem to be unaware of.

[derspiess]

I really doubt it was a complete failure.

Well ok not a complete failure, it does a few good things.  I will call it...90% of a failure.  This reform will not solve most of the problems it was supposed to fix.  Prices will continue to rise and we will continue to be in crisis.

Obamacare is a long term restructuring of health care and key parts that haven't been implemented yet. I'd give it time.

How much?

[Admiral Yi]

On the flip side, there are significant subsidies available to many people that people seem to be unaware of.

Right, and that's a political question.  Well lower income mandatees think "gee, I'm getting $2,000 worth of insurance for only $1,500," or will they think "that fucker is forcing me to spend $1,500 I could have spent on booze."

[garbon]

The urgency of working on it right away was that Republicans were going to be dead set against significant reform, and Obama needed to take advantage of majorities in both houses (and at least for a while a supermajority in the senate) plus his post election popularity. Even with those factors it barely passed.

Yeah.  He had a mandate to do something and he was handed a majority to do it.  And it was a complete failure.

I really doubt it was a complete failure.

The website may have been a failure, but that is short term. People are losing health care plans that don't meet certain standards, but that was part of the plan.

I suspect the major issue in the near term is that the penalties for the individual mandate are way too low and will seriously jack up costs. But if that doesn't really derail the plan and we muddle through, then the penalties will increase and that problem will work itself out. I don't see any other issue that causes me to think that over the long term Obamacare will fail.

Not related to your post, but we still want answers!

[alfred russel]

I really doubt it was a complete failure.

Well ok not a complete failure, it does a few good things.  I will call it...90% of a failure.  This reform will not solve most of the problems it was supposed to fix.  Prices will continue to rise and we will continue to be in crisis.

Obamacare is a long term restructuring of health care and key parts that haven't been implemented yet. I'd give it time.

How much?

I'm not an expert on this at all, but from what I know I'd say 5 years. For Obamacare to really work you need functioning exchanges and significant mandates. There probably also needs to be some loss experience for actuaries to base rates off of, and some time for people to become familiar with their options. I don't think we will have significant mandates for another 4 years (I could be completely wrong on that).

[11B4V]

11B has no boyz.  He's in the middle & slings shit at both sides.

Raz would say he lacks moral courage.

It's true, he does.  He's not so much in the middle as being against everything.  It's a safe position to take, you can look like someone who has an interest in politics without actually being for something.  If you aren't for something, you can never be wrong.  You never have to worry about the embarrassment or heart break that comes with being wrong.  Politics is a bit like dating, you have to invest some of yourself and you'll likely get burned sometimes.  The cynic that laughs at everyone else but stand for nothing is like a person who doesn't have the courage to get in a relationship because of fear of rejection.  Instead he just goes home and jerks off.  The cynic does the same thing, except instead of massaging his gentiles he massages his ego by laughing at others who were foolish enough to support an idea or person.

STFU basement boy.

[derspiess]

I'm not an expert on this at all, but from what I know I'd say 5 years. For Obamacare to really work you need functioning exchanges and significant mandates. There probably also needs to be some loss experience for actuaries to base rates off of, and some time for people to become familiar with their options. I don't think we will have significant mandates for another 4 years (I could be completely wrong on that).

Okay.  What are the metrics, in general terms?

[11B4V]

They're mad because their boyz signature legislation is a clusterfuck. Oh, and they have no arguement for his lies to the American people.

It is so cute to see you repeat, over and over again, the fact that a politician lied, as though your boyz aren't liars as well.  Doesn't matter which party they are in, if they are a politician or an officer in the NRA, they are a liar.  The sooner you stopped being shocked by that fact, the sooner you will stop sounding like a repetitive drone.

The NRA are my boyz????? The Tea Party??? Who is it, since you think you know.

and when the NRA comes back in the news, does something stupid, which they will, I'll bash them.