The Government Shutdown Countdown Lowdown MEGATHREAD

[Razgovory]

What planet are you on, Meri?  Public opinion polls do not show that most people want Obamacare.

http://kff.org/health-reform/poll-finding/kaiser-health-tracking-poll-september-2013/

38% of those opposing Obamacare believe it has death panels.  20% more are unsure.  You must be so proud!

[garbon]

And the FDA doesn't count as 'essential' but I'd guess most people agree that it's important.

But still terrible.

[Admiral Yi]

That doesn't actually contradict what she said.

Yes it does.  It didn't require bipartisan support.

[garbon]

There's a question of the best way to go about doing that.  Plus there's the issue of Obamacare being much harder to turn back once it's been in place for a period of time.  I don't honestly know what the best strategy is for the GOP-- every one I can think of has serious negatives.

The thing is that the last presidential election was essentially "Should we repeal Obamacare?" If so, vote in Romney.

I don't think that's accurate.

[merithyn]

Hell, even only 51% of Republicans are for repealing the law according to the poll I posted.

http://b-i.forbesimg.com/theapothecary/files/2013/09/Morning-consult-2013-09b.png

[Tamas]

as grumbler mentioned, AFAIK, not only the USA healthcare was pretty far from any kind of proper welfare system (which is fine), but it managed to not be a welfare system by costing more than a proper working welfare system. Now that is some fucked up shit, so throwing their regular "omg we have a black prez, teh horror!" tantrum translated to a healthcare one is a bad idea.

[Razgovory]

That doesn't actually contradict what she said.

Yes it does.  It didn't require bipartisan support.

No, it can still require bipartisan support.  If for instance a bill has bipartisan opposition, and there is the need to overcome filibuster.

[garbon]

Hell, even only 51% of Republicans are for repealing the law according to the poll I posted.

http://b-i.forbesimg.com/theapothecary/files/2013/09/Morning-consult-2013-09b.png

I think my opinion is to keep it as I've seen no evidence it would be better to go back to the drawing board. I'd rather energy be spent on changing it from within.

[garbon]

as grumbler mentioned, AFAIK, not only the USA healthcare was pretty far from any kind of proper welfare system (which is fine), but it managed to not be a welfare system by costing more than a proper working welfare system. Now that is some fucked up shit, so throwing their regular "omg we have a black prez, teh horror!" tantrum translated to a healthcare one is a bad idea.

I'm so glad we have you to cut through the bullshit and provide clear insight into the American political system.

[Admiral Yi]

No, it can still require bipartisan support.  If for instance a bill has bipartisan opposition, and there is the need to overcome filibuster.

What's with the present tense Raz.  We're talking about something that already happened. 

[Caliga]

Hell, even only 51% of Republicans are for repealing the law according to the poll I posted.

http://b-i.forbesimg.com/theapothecary/files/2013/09/Morning-consult-2013-09b.png

I think my opinion is to keep it as I've seen no evidence it would be better to go back to the drawing board. I'd rather energy be spent on changing it from within.

Yeah, I agree with this.

[merithyn]

I think my opinion is to keep it as I've seen no evidence it would be better to go back to the drawing board. I'd rather energy be spent on changing it from within.

That's how MOST people feel. Which is why I'm so damn confused by what the Republicans are trying to do.

[Caliga]

  It shouldn't be confusing to anyone... in fact I think it's abundantly clear that this is just political grandstanding.

[Razgovory]

No, it can still require bipartisan support.  If for instance a bill has bipartisan opposition, and there is the need to overcome filibuster.

What's with the present tense Raz.  We're talking about something that already happened. 

You stated having a majority in the house doesn't require bi-partisan support, I brought up to situations where it would.  As it stands one Republican in the house did vote for the bill.

[Jacob]

It shouldn't be confusing to anyone... in fact I think it's abundantly clear that this is just political grandstanding.

Lets hope they don't bust the debt ceiling over it