The future George Zimmerman Acquittal Trial Megathread!

Started by CountDeMoney, June 20, 2013, 06:21:57 PM

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derspiess

Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 17, 2013, 01:54:29 PM
There's no legal requirement in Florida regarding an individual's obligation to deescalate a confrontation or an individual's culpability in escalating one.

So you think this gal should walk?
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grumbler

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on July 17, 2013, 02:14:39 PM
QuoteProsecutors win 99.5 percent of their cases in the United States, an unheard of figure in the democratic world (about 60 percent in Canada

Guess the Beebs just aren't very good at their job. :(
Since this 99.5% and 60% include guilty pleas, the Beebs of Canada must really suck.  :(

Or else Conrad Black is full of shit.
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Quote from: derspiess on July 17, 2013, 03:30:57 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 17, 2013, 01:54:29 PM
There's no legal requirement in Florida regarding an individual's obligation to deescalate a confrontation or an individual's culpability in escalating one.

So you think this gal should walk?

No felony, 12 mos Probation.
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Quote from: derspiess on July 17, 2013, 03:30:57 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 17, 2013, 01:54:29 PM
There's no legal requirement in Florida regarding an individual's obligation to deescalate a confrontation or an individual's culpability in escalating one.

So you think this gal should walk?

I find the increasing inability of both juries and judges to find any room for the exercise of discretionary judgement such as the Zimmerman case and this one disturbing.  Removing the ability to take exigent circumstances into consideration is a trend that is counter to our system of justice working properly.

And while the nuances of these specific results are based in not very easily identifiable or explainable law for the layman, the combining the lack of discretionary judgement with the disparity between the legal truth and the objective truth is becoming increasingly counterintuitive to the point of absurdism.

And I certainly don't think it's a stretch to see how the black community could see a double standard at work here when these two cases are held up next to one another.  But you're not black so you don't have to worry about it.

derspiess

So is that just a fancy way of saying you want the woman to walk and Zim to fry?
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

CountDeMoney

Quote from: derspiess on July 17, 2013, 09:25:11 PM
So is that just a fancy way of saying you want the woman to walk and Zim to fry?

It's a fancy way of saying I think there's something incredibly broken about a system when there's no legal accountability for somebody exercising the judgement to put themselves in the position to kill somebody, yet at the same time somebody else gets a 20 year sentence for exercising judgement in not killing somebody.

Now I know you're intelligent enough to see the lack of common sense at work here regarding Florida law in these two cases, but I can understand why you would defend this fundamentally broken premise, what with niggers being involved and all.

Siege

Quote from: Caliga on July 15, 2013, 10:06:38 PM
Was it real retarded?

She recognized the Trayvon was giving a "wup ass" to Zimmerman.
Therefore Trayvon Martin was the aggressor.


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Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 17, 2013, 09:35:22 PM
exercising the judgement to put themselves in the position to kill somebody

Interesting turn of phrase.

Presumably the woman was exercising the same judgement to put herself in a position to kill somebody, no?  Her ex could have started pounding her too.

CountDeMoney

Hey, it's Florida.  They love their guns so much, the law demands you kill people with them.  Or else.

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Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 17, 2013, 10:05:59 PM
Hey, it's Florida.  They love their guns so much, the law demands you kill people with them.  Or else.

Gosh, when you put it that way it's so intuitive and common sense that the law is wrong.

derspiess

Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 17, 2013, 09:35:22 PM
Quote from: derspiess on July 17, 2013, 09:25:11 PM
So is that just a fancy way of saying you want the woman to walk and Zim to fry?

It's a fancy way of saying I think there's something incredibly broken about a system when there's no legal accountability for somebody exercising the judgement to put themselves in the position to kill somebody, yet at the same time somebody else gets a 20 year sentence for exercising judgement in not killing somebody.

Now I know you're intelligent enough to see the lack of common sense at work here regarding Florida law in these two cases, but I can understand why you would defend this fundamentally broken premise, what with niggers being involved and all.


I did say 20 years was excessive.  11B's sentence sounds more fitting.  But the two cases are apples & oranges.
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CountDeMoney

Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 17, 2013, 10:08:48 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 17, 2013, 10:05:59 PM
Hey, it's Florida.  They love their guns so much, the law demands you kill people with them.  Or else.

Gosh, when you put it that way it's so intuitive and common sense that the law is wrong.

I'm not black and living in Florida, so I'm not sweating it, either.

derspiess

Quote from: Siege on July 17, 2013, 09:41:31 PM
Quote from: Caliga on July 15, 2013, 10:06:38 PM
Was it real retarded?

She recognized the Trayvon was giving a "wup ass" to Zimmerman.
Therefore Trayvon Martin was the aggressor.


Today she claimed she has a 3.0 GPA.  She used to also claim that she was studying criminal justice at "Miami University" (in which case she didn't even get the name of the school right unless she was really talking about the school in Ohio).  She is in fact a 19-year old that hasn't finished high school yet.
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

derspiess

Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 17, 2013, 10:11:27 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 17, 2013, 10:08:48 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 17, 2013, 10:05:59 PM
Hey, it's Florida.  They love their guns so much, the law demands you kill people with them.  Or else.

Gosh, when you put it that way it's so intuitive and common sense that the law is wrong.

I'm not black and living in Florida, so I'm not sweating it, either.

Oh, no.  Not at all :lol:
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall