The future George Zimmerman Acquittal Trial Megathread!

Started by CountDeMoney, June 20, 2013, 06:21:57 PM

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11B4V

Quote from: Razgovory on June 29, 2013, 05:13:03 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on June 29, 2013, 04:52:01 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 29, 2013, 04:40:43 PM
I think regardless of the races, someone shoots an unarmed kid it's going to get publicity.

Sure it will, then add the race card and it explodes.

http://www.wral.com/texas-man-found-guilty-of-first-degree-murder-in-durham-parking-lot-shooting/12404258/

Man shoots teen, claims self defense.  No national publicity, no explosion.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/06/24/north.carolina.shooting/index.html

Looks like CNN picked it up. National news network. No explosion because it sounds like the cops did their job.
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Razgovory

Precisely. They did their job, thus not a national news story. A few paragraphs reported by an affiliate.  The police in Sandford didn't do their job.
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11B4V

Quote from: Razgovory on June 29, 2013, 06:04:53 PM
Precisely. They did their job, thus not a national news story. A few paragraphs reported by an affiliate.  The police in Sandford didn't do their job.

So, we're in agreement. Different from the Trayvon case.
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"Obviously not a Berkut-commanded armored column.  They're not all brewing."- CdM

"We've reached one of our phase lines after the firefight and it smells bad—meaning it's a little bit suspicious... Could be an amb—".

The Brain

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Razgovory

Quote from: 11B4V on June 29, 2013, 06:12:42 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 29, 2013, 06:04:53 PM
Precisely. They did their job, thus not a national news story. A few paragraphs reported by an affiliate.  The police in Sandford didn't do their job.

So, we're in agreement. Different from the Trayvon case.

I suppose we are now.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

11B4V

Quote from: The Brain on June 29, 2013, 06:37:19 PM
Can you release a dove for the not guilty verdict without being labelled crazy woman? I'm asking for a friend.

I'm sure she doesnt think, she's crazy.
"there's a long tradition of insulting people we disagree with here, and I'll be damned if I listen to your entreaties otherwise."-OVB

"Obviously not a Berkut-commanded armored column.  They're not all brewing."- CdM

"We've reached one of our phase lines after the firefight and it smells bad—meaning it's a little bit suspicious... Could be an amb—".

Razgovory

Quote from: The Brain on June 29, 2013, 06:37:19 PM
Can you release a dove for the not guilty verdict without being labelled crazy woman? I'm asking for a friend.

You could not be a woman.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

DGuller

Hmm, it looks like it may have been a justified shooting after all.   :hmm:  I hope that prosecutors will think of something soon.

derspiess

Quote from: DGuller on June 29, 2013, 09:51:52 PM
Hmm, it looks like it may have been a justified shooting after all.   :hmm:  I hope that prosecutors will think of something soon.

Meaning what? :huh:
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Quote from: derspiess on June 30, 2013, 02:27:03 PM
Quote from: DGuller on June 29, 2013, 09:51:52 PM
Hmm, it looks like it may have been a justified shooting after all.   :hmm:  I hope that prosecutors will think of something soon.

Meaning what? :huh:

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Eddie Teach

Quote from: 11B4V on June 29, 2013, 05:53:09 PM
QuoteMan shoots teen, claims self defense.  No national publicity, no explosion.

From what I understand the police did such a sloppy job initially in the Trayvon case, The Rev Al weighed in. Rightfully so IMO.



He's lost quite a bit of weight since I saw him on SNL last year.
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11B4V

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on June 30, 2013, 09:45:21 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on June 29, 2013, 05:53:09 PM
QuoteMan shoots teen, claims self defense.  No national publicity, no explosion.

From what I understand the police did such a sloppy job initially in the Trayvon case, The Rev Al weighed in. Rightfully so IMO.



He's lost quite a bit of weight since I saw him on SNL last year.

That's a fact. I was surprised when on saw him on his MSNBC show. The Rev is Pimpin.
"there's a long tradition of insulting people we disagree with here, and I'll be damned if I listen to your entreaties otherwise."-OVB

"Obviously not a Berkut-commanded armored column.  They're not all brewing."- CdM

"We've reached one of our phase lines after the firefight and it smells bad—meaning it's a little bit suspicious... Could be an amb—".

dps

Quote from: Berkut on June 29, 2013, 04:14:20 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 29, 2013, 10:23:51 AM
Quote from: Berkut on June 29, 2013, 10:07:06 AM
I don't disagree with anything you are saying, except that this version of events requires the state to prove a LOT more in order to get a conviction.

And without any evidence to counter Zimmermans version of events, I don't see how they can do that.

Unfortunately, that's kinda what happens when the victim is really the one on trial.

No, that's kind of what happens when the only person who is testifying as to what happened seems to be saying that the accused version of events is basically accurate, and that version makes it seem like he was defending himself.

Or, it's kind of what happens when we apply a standard of "innocent until proven guilty" and there isn't much evidence to contradict the defendent's version of events.  Enough to make everyone really suspicious, sure, but not enough to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

Siege

Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 29, 2013, 09:12:40 AM
It's "Stand Your Ground", not "Walk Over To That Guy's Ground Over There, Start A Fight, Start Losing and Then Blow The Nigger Away On His Ground".

You are unbelievable.


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Berkut

Quote from: dps on July 01, 2013, 06:43:38 AM
Quote from: Berkut on June 29, 2013, 04:14:20 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 29, 2013, 10:23:51 AM
Quote from: Berkut on June 29, 2013, 10:07:06 AM
I don't disagree with anything you are saying, except that this version of events requires the state to prove a LOT more in order to get a conviction.

And without any evidence to counter Zimmermans version of events, I don't see how they can do that.

Unfortunately, that's kinda what happens when the victim is really the one on trial.

No, that's kind of what happens when the only person who is testifying as to what happened seems to be saying that the accused version of events is basically accurate, and that version makes it seem like he was defending himself.

Or, it's kind of what happens when we apply a standard of "innocent until proven guilty" and there isn't much evidence to contradict the defendent's version of events.  Enough to make everyone really suspicious, sure, but not enough to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

Indeed.

I still think Zimmerman pretty much went and picked a fight he had no business being involved in, or at least created a situation because he is a meddling spaz, and then killed that kid when it went bad, and he could have avoided the entire thing had he wanted to - but the bar for conviction is a lot higher than the bar for me being convinced Zimmerman is a douchebag largely responsible for that young man's death.
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