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derspiess

#6135
March 02, 2016, 10:05:37 PM
Quote from: Phillip V on March 02, 2016, 09:03:29 PM


I remember there was a term "enthusiasm gap" used in 2012.
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alfred russel

#6136
March 02, 2016, 10:10:30 PM
Quote from: derspiess on March 02, 2016, 10:05:37 PM

I remember there was a term "enthusiasm gap" used in 2012.

It seems less fitting when turnout is driven by a portion of the electorate fired up about a lunatic, and the other portion driven to the polls in terror of the lunatic.
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MadImmortalMan

#6137
March 02, 2016, 10:11:54 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on March 02, 2016, 10:05:10 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on March 02, 2016, 09:28:18 PM
It needs to be burned to the ground in its current state.  It's a disgrace.

The way it needs to burn is to nominate someone reasonable (okay that may be farfetched if Cruz is the most likely alternative, but hang with me) and then have Trump walk out and take the crazies with him. Not nominating Trump and have the non crazies walk out.

I don't think it'll happen. Already, my relatives are lining up saying they hate Trump but he's better than Hillary. Trump has an energized vote, and he has a resigned vote.
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derspiess

#6138
March 02, 2016, 10:49:22 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on March 02, 2016, 10:10:30 PM
Quote from: derspiess on March 02, 2016, 10:05:37 PM

I remember there was a term "enthusiasm gap" used in 2012.

It seems less fitting when turnout is driven by a portion of the electorate fired up about a lunatic, and the other portion driven to the polls in terror of the lunatic.

But enough about Obama ;)
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Valmy

#6139
March 02, 2016, 11:14:56 PM
Quote from: derspiess on March 02, 2016, 10:49:22 PM
But enough about Obama ;)

Let's dispel once and for all with this fiction that Barack Obama doesn't know what he's doing. He knows exactly what he's doing.
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Razgovory

#6140
March 03, 2016, 12:15:27 AM
You know, I bet the GOP wishes it had super delegates right about now.
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Martinus

#6141
March 03, 2016, 01:06:27 AM
Quote from: derspiess on March 02, 2016, 10:49:22 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on March 02, 2016, 10:10:30 PM
Quote from: derspiess on March 02, 2016, 10:05:37 PM

I remember there was a term "enthusiasm gap" used in 2012.

It seems less fitting when turnout is driven by a portion of the electorate fired up about a lunatic, and the other portion driven to the polls in terror of the lunatic.

But enough about Obama ;)
:lol:

Martinus

#6142
March 03, 2016, 01:06:58 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on March 03, 2016, 12:15:27 AM
You know, I bet the GOP wishes it had super delegates right about now.

I wish I had superpowers.

Martinus

#6143
March 03, 2016, 01:11:41 AM

Berkut

#6144
March 03, 2016, 01:32:24 AM
Quote from: dps on March 02, 2016, 05:41:10 PM
Quote from: Malthus on March 02, 2016, 01:20:32 PM
What will Languish Republicans do in the actual election if (looking more like when) Trump wins this race? Vote for him, stay home, switch to Democrat?  :hmm:

I posted several months ago that if the nominees were Trump and Clinton, I'd vote for a 3rd party candidate.  However, at that time, I didn't think that Trump could win the nomination, and that in the highly unlikely event that he did so, Hillary would trounce him easily.  Now, however, it seems possible that Trump will not only win the nomination, but maybe the general election.  So, at this point, I'm in wait and see mode.  If either Trump or Clinton is well ahead of the other, or if it's close but not in NC, I'll still vote for a 3rd party candidate.  But if it looks like it'll be close, and NC is in play, I'll very reluctantly vote for Clinton.

It'll be like having to vote for greedy, corrupt used car salesman because the other candidate is a drunkard with an IQ of about 70.

Mind you, I'm still hoping that Trump won't be the Republican nominee.


Don't we all? Well, at least we all SAY that. Apparently it is the case that what people do in the voting booth, and what they claim to support are rather different. I think we see that with some of our Languish posters.

It is really very simple.

Trump is not a candidate who one can just claim they are turning their nose up and casting a vote for as the least bad candidate.

He is a racist, populist wanna be fascist. You cannot with any credibility, come up with any valid reason for casting a vote in his favor other than that you want a fascist to be President.

So spicey can pretend like his vote is about Clinton, but at the end of the day no matter what you think about Clinton, she isn't a wanna-be fucking Nazi.

Voting for the wanna-be Nazi cannot possibly be justified by anything that is going to outweigh the fact that you are casting a vote for the wanna-be Nazi, and hence you at some level want that guy to win over the alternative.
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Martinus

#6145
March 03, 2016, 01:35:28 AM Last Edit: March 03, 2016, 01:41:20 AM by Martinus
If America was a single person, then Trump would be, psychologically speaking, its Shadow - a projection of its true self that accumulates all the "bad" qualities that the person wants to deny and suppress about themselves. I think for the rest of us, watching you guys struggle with Trump is so amusing also because he so much embodies the way we feel you actually are - so you guys seeing him as some kind of a demon that came out of nowhere is quite entertaining. If he is elected, he will embody America more than any President at least since Reagan.

11B4V

#6146
March 03, 2016, 01:42:44 AM
No. Step away from the crack pipe, sir.
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Phillip V

#6147
March 03, 2016, 01:43:38 AM
Republican turnout in my Virginia county (Arlington) more than doubled from 2008.  Kasich came in second to Rubio.

https://www.arlnow.com/2016/03/01/arlington-votes-for-clinton-rubio-in-banner-night-for-gop-turnout/

Martinus

#6148
March 03, 2016, 01:45:10 AM Last Edit: March 03, 2016, 01:46:56 AM by Martinus
Quote from: 11B4V on March 03, 2016, 01:42:44 AM
No.

Yes. Ask a random person in the ROTW to describe a stereotypical American and chances are you will get something similar to Trump.

You have been telling us all that time that the stereotype is not true, but here comes Trump, and basically shows it has been true all along. That's why you are so mad.

11B4V

#6149
March 03, 2016, 01:46:48 AM
Quote from: Martinus on March 03, 2016, 01:45:10 AM
Quote from: 11B4V on March 03, 2016, 01:42:44 AM
No.

Yes. Ask a random person in the ROTW to describe a stereotypical American and chances are you will get something similar to Trump.
I don't give a fuck about the ROTW's opinion
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"We've reached one of our phase lines after the firefight and it smells bad—meaning it's a little bit suspicious... Could be an amb—".
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