Israel Forcibly Injected 100k African Immigrants with Birth Control

[Razgovory]

Sounds horrible on first glance, but reading more into it I have less of a problem with it.  It's a problem for Israel if these immigrants are popping out babies like pez dispensers.  The alternative is shutting out Ethiopians altogether, and given a choice I'd bet the women would rather take the contraceptive than have that happen.

I wouldn't favor anything like that here, but Israel can do this if they want.

Am I getting trolled?

I'm a bit thrown off by this one as well.

[jimmy olsen]

Sounds horrible on first glance, but reading more into it I have less of a problem with it.  It's a problem for Israel if these immigrants are popping out babies like pez dispensers.  The alternative is shutting out Ethiopians altogether, and given a choice I'd bet the women would rather take the contraceptive than have that happen.

I wouldn't favor anything like that here, but Israel can do this if they want.

Am I getting trolled?

Definitely, if he really believed stuff like this it would have come out before this.

[mongers]

Sounds horrible on first glance, but reading more into it I have less of a problem with it.  It's a problem for Israel if these immigrants are popping out babies like pez dispensers.  The alternative is shutting out Ethiopians altogether, and given a choice I'd bet the women would rather take the contraceptive than have that happen.

I wouldn't favor anything like that here, but Israel can do this if they want.

Am I getting trolled?

Definitely, if he really believed stuff like this it would have come out before this.

But it has.

[DGuller]

Definitely, if he really believed stuff like this it would have come out before this.

I wouldn't be confident that nothing of this sort didn't come out before.  He's been giving off a fascist vibe for quite a while.

[Razgovory]

That is kinda common amongst right wingers.

[Neil]

Eugenics and fascism are two different things.

Fuck you people are embarassingly stupid.

[Razgovory]

Nobody said they were.

[derspiess]

Sounds horrible on first glance, but reading more into it I have less of a problem with it.  It's a problem for Israel if these immigrants are popping out babies like pez dispensers.  The alternative is shutting out Ethiopians altogether, and given a choice I'd bet the women would rather take the contraceptive than have that happen.

I wouldn't favor anything like that here, but Israel can do this if they want.

Am I getting trolled?

Definitely, if he really believed stuff like this it would have come out before this.

If I really believed what stuff?

[Ed Anger]

You naughty man.

[PDH]

Spicey would order his wife to inject black jews with birth control.

[derspiess]

Spicey would order his wife to inject black jews with birth control.

Well it's not like she's going to want to make that decision herself, is it?  I would drive her there, at least.

[Viking]

The known facts

Ethopian Jewish women were without their knowledge or consent being given contraceptive injections.

The Isreali health ministry ordered that giving these injections routinely should stop and only be given to those women who can understand the consequences of the injection.


everything else is speculation and rather wild speculation at that, racist government conspiracies to eugenically cleanse black ethiopian jews from israel are suggested and references to the Torah are given.

[Razgovory]

The known facts

Ethopian Jewish women were without their knowledge or consent being given contraceptive injections.

This does seem to be a violation of human rights.

[jimmy olsen]

The known facts

Ethopian Jewish women were without their knowledge or consent being given contraceptive injections.

The Isreali health ministry ordered that giving these injections routinely should stop and only be given to those women who can understand the consequences of the injection.


everything else is speculation and rather wild speculation at that, racist government conspiracies to eugenically cleanse black ethiopian jews from israel are suggested and references to the Torah are given.

Given the number of women believed to be involved, who else but the government could be responsible for it?

[Viking]

The known facts

Ethopian Jewish women were without their knowledge or consent being given contraceptive injections.

This does seem to be a violation of human rights.

apparently this is being objected to as well

http://www.democraticunderground.com/113429915

What the original television program uncovered is an insensitivity to a traditional culture and imposing Western norms in what likely began as a well-meaning attempt to help families make an easier adjustment to the shock that was ahead of them when they moved to Israel and once they arrived. The stories women told painted a picture of being coaxed and strongly convinced that they should subject themselves to a Depo-Provera birth control shot every three months, without being offered other methods of family planning. They also recounted being told in educational workshops that Israelis had "small families" and that having many children in Israel would "make their life difficult." Some said they were led to believe they would not be permitted to emigrate if they did not submit to the shots, others said that their objections to receiving them were ignored. Some women said they weren't aware the shots were birth control - they thought they were vaccinations, and others said their complaints about disturbing side effects were ignored.

The most hostile coverage refers inaccurately to "sterilization" - conveniently ignoring the fact that Depo-Provera is a three-month birth control injection, for which women must voluntarily go to a clinic to receive the shots. It is insulting to the intelligence of Ethiopian women to believe that they did this for years at a time against their will. Certainly, if there was a nefarious plot to stop them from having babies, there would have been a more efficient way to do it.

I believe the women who told their stories to Gal Gabbai. I also believe that the vast majority of the Ethiopian women who received Depo-Provera were aware it was birth control and received it willingly, wanting to be in control of deciding when to get pregnant. And some of them - it is unclear how many - preferred being injected at a clinic rather than having to take pills daily in the presence of other family members - husbands or mothers or in-laws - who might disapprove of that decision. I also believe that those who did not want to receive the shots and truly wanted to become pregnant were smart enough to stop receiving them. At least some of the drop in these birthrate is attributable to access to birth control and control over their childbearing that these women wanted.

What is likely true - and needs to be urgently corrected, is that those who do want to practice birth control understand that there are alternative methods that are safer with fewer side effects, and that no ethnic group, native or immigrant is ever systematically given Depo-Provera again.

here the claim is that the contraceptive was given secretly so the women had deniability so they would not be kept barefoot and pregnant by their husbands. (the haaretz blog this post is commenting on is behind a pay wall)


given that this is israel emotions run wild and reason doesn't prevail as the routine charges of genocide get thrown around.