GOP Primary Megathread!

[The Brain]

This whole forum is old.

Pedo.

[DGuller]

Maybe they got tired of the political bullshit. Maybe they got tired of YOU.

Yeah, Raz's problem is that he takes too long to corner people in arguments.  By the time he finally does, the people he argues with are exactly at a point when they get tired of him.

[Eddie Teach]

Well, Raz does tend to beat arguments to death, but then so does Grumbler so I don't think fatigue is an issue here.

[Razgovory]

Maybe they got tired of the political bullshit. Maybe they got tired of YOU.

Yeah, Raz's problem is that he takes too long to corner people in arguments.  By the time he finally does, the people he argues with are exactly at a point when they get tired of him.

I'm not a quick thinker.  I suppose it is possible that people become embarrassed by being cornered by nitwit.

[crazy canuck]

Well, Raz does tend to beat arguments to death, but then so does Grumbler so I don't think fatigue is an issue here.

Raz has a long memory so it is more difficult for Grumbler to play his semantic u-turns when it is clear he is wrong.

[grumbler]

Raz has a long memory so it is more difficult for Grumbler to play his semantic u-turns when it is clear he is wrong.

Okay, Mr "this novel is history" man.  Let's see a "semantic u-turn" on my part.  Shouldn't be hard to find, if that is a common tactic of mine.

I have given up responding to Raz because he is purely a "gotcha" debater, and doesn't read what it is he thinks he is being "gotcha" about.  It's a waste of time.  He doesn't argue positions, just snippets. Paul claims that the CIA has staged a "coup" in warfighting because it is the one flying drones and firing missiles, not the US military, and Raz claims that Ron Paul thinks the CIA has overthrown the US government.  Paul may be a wacko, but Raz isn't demonstrating that; he is instead demonstrating that he doesn't really care what Ron Paul says or thinks, just what Raz can play "gotcha" with.  It is pointless and silly, and I invite him to ignore me as much as I ignore him (and his crony Fate).

[crazy canuck]

Let's see a "semantic u-turn" on my part.  Shouldn't be hard to find, if that is a common tactic of mine.

I have given up responding to Raz because he is purely a "gotcha" debater, and doesn't read what it is he thinks he is being "gotcha" about.  It's a waste of time.  He doesn't argue positions, just snippets. Paul claims that the CIA has staged a "coup" in warfighting because it is the one flying drones and firing missiles, not the US military, and Raz claims that Ron Paul thinks the CIA has overthrown the US government.  Paul may be a wacko, but Raz isn't demonstrating that; he is instead demonstrating that he doesn't really care what Ron Paul says or thinks, just what Raz can play "gotcha" with.  It is pointless and silly, and I invite him to ignore me as much as I ignore him (and his crony Fate).

Frankly I could not care less why you say you ignore Raz.  I do find it amusing that you lack the self awareness to realize that your usual sementic  arguments have became one of the most recongizable languish memes.

[Razgovory]

Raz has a long memory so it is more difficult for Grumbler to play his semantic u-turns when it is clear he is wrong.

Okay, Mr "this novel is history" man.  Let's see a "semantic u-turn" on my part.  Shouldn't be hard to find, if that is a common tactic of mine.

I have given up responding to Raz because he is purely a "gotcha" debater, and doesn't read what it is he thinks he is being "gotcha" about.  It's a waste of time.  He doesn't argue positions, just snippets. Paul claims that the CIA has staged a "coup" in warfighting because it is the one flying drones and firing missiles, not the US military, and Raz claims that Ron Paul thinks the CIA has overthrown the US government.  Paul may be a wacko, but Raz isn't demonstrating that; he is instead demonstrating that he doesn't really care what Ron Paul says or thinks, just what Raz can play "gotcha" with.  It is pointless and silly, and I invite him to ignore me as much as I ignore him (and his crony Fate).

Very well, but if you are going to ignore me please do so consistently.  Don't jump into a thread, belittle me or insult me, and then just leave.   When you join in, I'm given the false impression that you are being serious and not trolling, and then you go and break my heart.  I know I should know better, but I've always been a fool that hopes that people change.  Incidentally "Gotcha debater" describes you very well.  You've posted several times in this thread, but never actually given us a real idea what you are arguing for.  Most of your posts have been just to tell me that I am wrong.  I asked you point blank what your opinion is of Dr. Paul and you refused to comment.

The quote from Dr. Paul I found goes like this

There's been a coup, have you heard? It's the CIA coup. The CIA runs everything, they run the military. They're the ones who are over there lobbing missiles and bombs on countries. ... And of course the CIA is every bit as secretive as the Federal Reserve. ... And yet think of the harm they have done since they were established [after] World War II. They are a government unto themselves. They're in businesses, in drug businesses, they take out dictators ... We need to take out the CIA.

I don't see the "warfighting" in there anywhere.  I don't think the drug bussiness has traditionally been considered a military enterprise, so I think when he says "the CIA runs everything," I think he means more then the CIA has usurped military functions.

[Razgovory]

As I said, I'm a slow thinker, and it just occurred to me that Grumbler accusing me of "Gotcha" style debating may just be his round-about way of conceding that his statements were incorrect.  If that is so, then I thank him for his gracious concession.

[grumbler]

Let's see a "semantic u-turn" on my part.  Shouldn't be hard to find, if that is a common tactic of mine.

I do find it amusing that you lack the self awareness to realize that your usual sementic  arguments have became one of the most recongizable languish memes.

So is that a "no, I can't find any examples but I am going to insist that it is true" weasel, or is this a semantic u-turn to change the your contention from being that I engage in "semantic U-turns" to that I care about word meanings?

[crazy canuck]

As I said, I'm a slow thinker, and it just occurred to me that Grumbler accusing me of "Gotcha" style debating may just be his round-about way of conceding that his statements were incorrect.  If that is so, then I thank him for his gracious concession.

 

Yep, typical Grumbler bs. If you point out he is wrong he does one of two things.  He accuses you of a gotcha style - which ironically is his speciality over the last couple years or he falls back on semantics to argue he said no such thing and that actually he said the opposite.

One wonders whether he puts on the performance as part of an internet personality ala Neil playing the ethnic Albertan or whether this is the real Grumbler.

[garbon]

Anyway - Ron does seem to be getting a lot of heat on this issue now.

[PDH]

Anyway - Ron does seem to be getting a lot of heat on this issue now.

I blame the inner-city criminal blacks and the perfidious jews.

[Zoupa]

Seems like the ethnic basis would get blurred and start to fade if you have more immigrants.

Which then calls into question the whole raison d'être of the state as a political expression of a nationality.  I mean what is Germany besides the homeland of the Germans?  Why else does it exist at all?  An interesting dilemma.

To administer the territories of the country called Germany? Who else would do it?

France would do it. 

[Zoupa]

Patriotic feelings need not be based on shared ethnicity. Shared allegiance to a political system and/or its symbols will suffice - look at the US.

I also fail to see where I said they MUST be based on ethnicity, just in the Old World they are as it stands right now.  So my point was, given  that fact, it is hard to judge them too harshly for struggling with the immigration issue more than we have.  We do not have the burden of an ethnically based state.

France is not an ethnically based state, both in theory and in practice. The struggles with immigration have a lot more to do with piss-poor urban planning, high unemployement and religious issues in the public sphere. France's mission civilisatrice is universal after all 

Not counting the 15% of racist tards that are present in every western country.