Twin Reduction Abortion

[Ideologue]

When do you tell the kid, anyway?  Over dinner after soccer practice?  "Pass the lasagna--hey, this looks like your brother!"

[HVC]

And what if the one you chose is a disappointment. You spend the rest of your days looking at your crackhead kid thinking "damn I choose the wrong one"

[LaCroix]

That could be the case, but I doubt many would be all that affected.

maybe not. we hear how close twins are, though, and finding out that you could have had such a bond but your parents decided against it might be crushing for some. i personally wouldn't do it, unless there's a jon & kate situation, then well, why not flush a few of 'em away? not like it really matters once you hit that level

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[jimmy olsen]

Sounds like something the author of the article *hopes* will trouble pro-choicers.

He has links to a whole bunch of pro-choicers who say they are troubled by it. He's pondering why that's the case.

[Ideologue]

Sounds like something the author of the article *hopes* will trouble pro-choicers.

He has links to a whole bunch of pro-choicers who say they are troubled by it. He's pondering why that's the case.

Most people are not rigorous about their belief systems.

[dps]

When do you tell the kid, anyway?  Over dinner after soccer practice?  "Pass the lasagna--hey, this looks like your brother!"

"When"?  How about "why"?  I can't see any reason you'd ever tell the kid.

[Razgovory]

Sounds like something the author of the article *hopes* will trouble pro-choicers.

He has links to a whole bunch of pro-choicers who say they are troubled by it. He's pondering why that's the case.

Most people are not rigorous about their belief systems.

Most people don't actually replace ideology for reality.

[jimmy olsen]

When do you tell the kid, anyway?  Over dinner after soccer practice?  "Pass the lasagna--hey, this looks like your brother!"

"When"?  How about "why"?  I can't see any reason you'd ever tell the kid.

Guilt?

[Razgovory]

Ide is the new Soviet Man.  He is beyond guilt.

[Ideologue]

It's pretty sweet.

[Eddie Teach]

I used to do so, and I was pretty obligated to oppose abortion.  If you don't, as I now don't, then the obvious outcome is that abortion is fine for any reason or no reason. 

Disappointing. Not only because you no longer agree with me, but it makes the overall tenor of your beliefs much more conventional.

[Kleves]

Disappointing. Not only because you no longer agree with me, but it makes the overall tenor of your beliefs much more conventional.

You watch, pretty soon Ide's going to turn against terror bombing, too. 

[merithyn]

Most people who are pro-choice don't think abortion needs a "justification", because they don't think of an early-term fetus as being a "person" at all.

I guess I don't fall in this category at all. I am almost rabidly pro-choice, yet I still think of fetuses as "babies". I just think it's better for an unwanted child to die before it gains consciousness than the alternative. I'm sad to think that this is the case, but I'm also savvy enough to know that abortions are going to happen whether legal or not, so it's best to make them as safe as possible.

One can hold a belief on this and still be conflicted. For me, it's not black-and-white. There is a lot of gray area in there.

As for the "twin bond myth", I'd argue that it's not a myth at all. As my twins will tell you, they know when something is wrong with the other. It's uncanny, really. And the fear they have when they don't know where the other is has been obvious since they were infants. I have no idea how to explain it, but there's no question that it's there.

[Slargos]

Under federal law, anyone who injures or kills a "child in utero" during a violent crime gets the same punishment as if he had injured or killed "the unborn child's mother,"

And that's just retarded. Killing a fetus (outside of a consensual abortion procedure) should carry a penalty, but equating it with a proper murder is simply wrong.

As with any discussion about morality, it's difficult to carry a conversation without first agreeing on definitions.

Certainly, an argument could probably be made that killing a fetus is not murder per se since the fetus hasn't lived enough to become a person any more than a fish or a plant. But then, we end up in the entire Potential argument, and that slope is pretty fucking slippery.

When looking at these types of issues I have a process, which starts by an initial assessment of my "gut feeling" and continues to examine the evidence before coming to a conclusion. Clearly, the gut is going to present a strong bias initially, and without burrowing deeper in this my gut is currently screaming "savages!  ".

The concept of "removing" one twin simply doesn't feel right.

[Slargos]

When do you tell the kid, anyway?  Over dinner after soccer practice?  "Pass the lasagna--hey, this looks like your brother!"

Learning a few years back that I was supposed to have another older brother whom my parents aborted two years before I was born was pretty uncomfortable.