Twin Reduction Abortion

[Malthus]

Isn't "financial hassle" the principal reason to abort?

Who knows? Anyways, of the various to get an abortion, it's probably the least justifiable.

Also, it is hard to believe that someone who could afford elective IVF treatments cannot really afford a child. The financial hassle justification is easier to swallow when someone is a college student, barely making ends meet, etc.

Most people who are pro-choice don't think abortion needs a "justification", because they don't think of an early-term fetus as being a "person" at all.

The IVF procedure simply highlights this. Usually, they attempt to implant a few fetuses in the hopes that one will "take". What about the fetuses they don't implant? Is there something wrong with that? If not, what's so bad about implanting some, and if more than one "take", getting rid of the extra?

If that's a problem, then surely throwing out the "unimplanted" extras at the lab is also a problem, and everyone who goes in for IVF ought to make like Octomom and implant all of 'em. 

[Ed Anger]

Too late for Ed.

Bite me, Adolf.

[Brazen]

My friend got pregnant with triplets on IVF after several rounds of traumatic and expensive treatment. She was advised to abort one or two to ensure survival of the remaining one. Her main thought was, "What if the one I keep dies anyhow?" She kept them all and has three noisy eight year olds. But you could literally see her belly in front of her eyes towards the day she delivered.

[Ideologue]

Isn't "financial hassle" the principal reason to abort?

Who knows? Anyways, of the various to get an abortion, it's probably the least justifiable.

Also, it is hard to believe that someone who could afford elective IVF treatments cannot really afford a child. The financial hassle justification is easier to swallow when someone is a college student, barely making ends meet, etc.

Most people who are pro-choice don't think abortion needs a "justification", because they don't think of an early-term fetus as being a "person" at all. 

No kidding.  I mean, if you think of a fetus as a person, I don't know what kind of weird moral calculus you'd have to make.

I used to do so, and I was pretty obligated to oppose abortion.  If you don't, as I now don't, then the obvious outcome is that abortion is fine for any reason or no reason.  At least on an intellectual level, although on an emotional level it's more difficult to separate persons from non-persons.

[Valmy]

Who knows? Anyways, of the various to get an abortion, it's probably the least justifiable.

Not having the resources to properly raise a child is the least justifiable reason?  I would think aborting one even though you have the resources would be less justifiable.

[LaCroix]

though i've no problem with killing off unwanted future-children, aborting one twin and keeping the other seems pretty awful for the future of that surviving twin. provided he's told at some point; probably best to never tell him

[Malthus]

though i've no problem with killing off unwanted future-children, aborting one twin and keeping the other seems pretty awful for the future of that surviving twin. provided he's told at some point; probably best to never tell him

Just as difficult as explaining the half-dozen or so "extra" embryos the lab tossed out during the IVF procedure.

Or worse, the ten-million or so sperm that didn't make it ... 

[Valmy]

'Son you had 10 million brothers and sisters but they died tragically to your mother's genocidal immune system.'

[HVC]

'Son you had 10 million brothers and sisters but they died tragically to your mother's genocidal immune system.'

"You know how they say you can't impregnate a women through anal... they lied"

[Martinus]

though i've no problem with killing off unwanted future-children, aborting one twin and keeping the other seems pretty awful for the future of that surviving twin. provided he's told at some point; probably best to never tell him

Just as difficult as explaining the half-dozen or so "extra" embryos the lab tossed out during the IVF procedure.

Or worse, the ten-million or so sperm that didn't make it ... 

Not as difficult as knowing you were going to get aborted but your mother was prevented from exercising her right because of a dysfunctional, retarded "conscience" clause. A woman like this (who lost her eyesight as a result of the pregnancy) sued the Polish state for a reason like this recently.

[Razgovory]

though i've no problem with killing off unwanted future-children, aborting one twin and keeping the other seems pretty awful for the future of that surviving twin. provided he's told at some point; probably best to never tell him

Just as difficult as explaining the half-dozen or so "extra" embryos the lab tossed out during the IVF procedure.

Or worse, the ten-million or so sperm that didn't make it ... 

Not as difficult as knowing you were going to get aborted but your mother was prevented from exercising her right because of a dysfunctional, retarded "conscience" clause. A woman like this (who lost her eyesight as a result of the pregnancy) sued the Polish state for a reason like this recently.

A clause that allowed you to live, yeah, I suppose it would be hard to live with that.

[DGuller]

I think a lot of people find it hard to live with a clause that allows Martinus to live.

[LaCroix]

Just as difficult as explaining the half-dozen or so "extra" embryos the lab tossed out during the IVF procedure.

Or worse, the ten-million or so sperm that didn't make it ... 

nay. i'm 100% pro-abortion (yes, pro-abortion, fuck pro-choice), so there needn't be any of that. i'm just saying, as an emotional setback, finding out that your twin was offed before you ever knew him would seem to me to be pretty harsh. also, as others have commented on, the "coulda been me!" might cause issues

[Malthus]

Just as difficult as explaining the half-dozen or so "extra" embryos the lab tossed out during the IVF procedure.

Or worse, the ten-million or so sperm that didn't make it ... 

nay. i'm 100% pro-abortion (yes, pro-abortion, fuck pro-choice), so there needn't be any of that. i'm just saying, as an emotional setback, finding out that your twin was offed before you ever knew him would seem to me to be pretty harsh. also, as others have commented on, the "coulda been me!" might cause issues

That could be the case, but I doubt many would be all that affected. Daddy coulda wore a condom, and I would not have existed ... people have an inherent ability to write off possibilities which coulda led to them not existing, due to a human belief in the centrality of their own existence.

[HVC]

Just as difficult as explaining the half-dozen or so "extra" embryos the lab tossed out during the IVF procedure.

Or worse, the ten-million or so sperm that didn't make it ... 

nay. i'm 100% pro-abortion (yes, pro-abortion, fuck pro-choice), so there needn't be any of that. i'm just saying, as an emotional setback, finding out that your twin was offed before you ever knew him would seem to me to be pretty harsh. also, as others have commented on, the "coulda been me!" might cause issues

could be a motivator. Dropped your coffee at work? missed the last bus? "Well at least i have better luck then my brother"