You really can't make this Northern Exposure trailer trash shit up

[crazy canuck]

How snobby.

I knew instinctively there was something wrong with agreeing with Marti

[PDH]

How snobby.

wait, you like snobbery.

[merithyn]

Yeah, but if she was a lefty icon like Michael Moore you'd probably not say that. I think much of this comes down to political ideologies as much as like/dislike of the person, in this case Palin. She just doesn't seem so evil, nor have such outrageous political views, does she? Of course, her being conservative brings out the hate from liberals, and that goes in the opposite way too of course. People may not agree with her views but I don't know if her views are so bad to warrant such hate, so I think it's more perception and personal with people hating on her.

My dislike of Palin stems entirely from the fact that she is one of the highest profile women in government, and she comes off as a complete moron. Why can't the media be fascinated by people like Janet Napolitano, Linda Lingle, or Christine Gregoire? All women governors, all women with talent and intelligence, and while I may not agree with their politics, strong politicians.

[Admiral Yi]

My dislike of Palin stems entirely from the fact that she is one of the highest profile women in government, and she comes off as a complete moron. Why can't the media be fascinated by people like Janet Napolitano, Linda Lingle, or Christine Gregoire? All women governors, all women with talent and intelligence, and while I may not agree with their politics, strong politicians.

National news doesn't follow state government unless the shit hits the fan or they do something really weird.

[Razgovory]

At least he is keeping it real.

I'm convinced they are both filthy liars. Levi has a reason to keep the feud going, and I'm sure some of the outrageous stuff he's saying is made up.


That's not what I call keeping it real. The guy's a tool.

He's a tool and a nitwit, but he's making money off of this as long as the left wingers can milk him to dredge up anything, fact or fiction, on Palin, as he continues to make a jack ass of himself.

The same can be said of Palin.

Yeah, but if she was a lefty icon like Michael Moore you'd probably not say that. I think much of this comes down to political ideologies as much as like/dislike of the person, in this case Palin. She just doesn't seem so evil, nor have such outrageous political views, does she? Of course, her being conservative brings out the hate from liberals, and that goes in the opposite way too of course. People may not agree with her views but I don't know if her views are so bad to warrant such hate, so I think it's more perception and personal with people hating on her.

The people who talk about this Palin hate the most are conservatives.  And in particular Palin.  The woman thrives on playing the victim.  Everyone is unfair to her (according to her), the Press, the public, Republicans, the Weather Channel, what ever.  She just recently posed for some photographs showing off her shapely figure and then claims it's sexist for them to be published.  Which is really odd for someone who's speeches are about 30% winks.

I honestly can't think of a liberal icon like Palin.  That speaks very poorly for conservatives I think.

[Neil]

My dislike of Palin stems entirely from the fact that she is one of the highest profile women in government, and she comes off as a complete moron. Why can't the media be fascinated by people like Janet Napolitano, Linda Lingle, or Christine Gregoire? All women governors, all women with talent and intelligence, and while I may not agree with their politics, strong politicians.

National news doesn't follow state government unless the shit hits the fan or they do something really weird.

The only national coverage Gregoire has had is for her corruption.

[Caliga]

Why can't the media be fascinated by people like Janet Napolitano, Linda Lingle, or Christine Gregoire?

Ugly, ugly, and ugly.  There's your answer.

[MadImmortalMan]

My dislike of Palin stems entirely from the fact that she is one of the highest profile women in government, and she comes off as a complete moron. Why can't the media be fascinated by people like Janet Napolitano, Linda Lingle, or Christine Gregoire? All women governors, all women with talent and intelligence, and while I may not agree with their politics, strong politicians.

Because she ran for VP and they didn't. And I think there's also a certain degree to which people don't realize the impact she had on the country, especially the aging mommy demo and the GOPers who were seriously dissatisfied with McCain. The latter being a very large group along with the former. My own mother called me during that speech of hers at the convention and was all OMG I LUV HER!!!111 WHO IS SHE??!!. Luckily for the country, we quickly realized that she had shot her wad all at once in that speech and there was nothing left for her to make anything of. But, she did give the GOP the only energy they've had in a long time. Fleeting as it was.

[Queequeg]

I'm actually wishing McCain had won now for other reasons... but we'd have this added hilarity.  Biden has proven to be boring as Veep. 

He chose Palin.  She sunk all his chances.  What does that say about his judgement?  You view the two as somehow separate, as though McCain was tainted by Palin with McCain being a victim.  It was the most important decision of his political career, and he chose a pair of breasts with the brain of a centipede. 

[Caliga]

He chose Palin.  She sunk all his chances.  What does that say about his judgement?  You view the two as somehow separate, as though McCain was tainted by Palin with McCain being a victim.  It was the most important decision of his political career, and he chose a pair of breasts with the brain of a centipede.

She didn't sink all his chances... he had no realistic chance of winning to begin with.  It was a desperate gamble that didn't pay off.  I understand why he picked her.  It's easy to laugh at him now in retrospect, of course.

Also, what is this "you view the two as somehow separate" stuff?

[Razgovory]

He chose Palin.  She sunk all his chances.  What does that say about his judgement?  You view the two as somehow separate, as though McCain was tainted by Palin with McCain being a victim.  It was the most important decision of his political career, and he chose a pair of breasts with the brain of a centipede.

She didn't sink all his chances... he had no realistic chance of winning to begin with.  It was a desperate gamble that didn't pay off.  I understand why he picked her.  It's easy to laugh at him now in retrospect, of course.

Also, what is this "you view the two as somehow separate" stuff?

That is of course is BS.  McCain always had a chance.  If he hadn't fallen apart when the economy did he might have won.

[Caliga]

That is of course is BS.  McCain always had a chance.  If he hadn't fallen apart when the economy did he might have won.

I don't think that's true.  The election might have been a little closer, but I think he still would have lost.

[Fate]

McCain was running against a nigger with a terrorist middle and last name who was born in Indonesia. He had a good chance of winning.   

[Martinus]

He chose Palin.  She sunk all his chances.  What does that say about his judgement?  You view the two as somehow separate, as though McCain was tainted by Palin with McCain being a victim.  It was the most important decision of his political career, and he chose a pair of breasts with the brain of a centipede.

She didn't sink all his chances... he had no realistic chance of winning to begin with.  It was a desperate gamble that didn't pay off.  I understand why he picked her.  It's easy to laugh at him now in retrospect, of course.

Even if it was a sneaky tactical decision on his part that just didn't pay off, this still does show something about his judgement that he would choose a completely moronic bimbo to step in his shoes if he dies (not that unlikely) just to score some cheap publicity.

This decision tainted him as either impossibly stupid or a devious and dishonest politico - neither being the picture that people used to associate with him.

Edit: There is also a third option: he was demoralised, convinced he will lose so he just say "fuck it" and did what his devious Republican advisors told him to do. But again, this shows a flaw in his character, and one inconsistent with the image he used to project.

Let's face it - picking Palin may have been smart or not, politically, but no matter which motivation for that you assume (McCain the Doddering Old Fool; McCain the Manipulative Player; McCain the Broken), it does seriously damage the image he used to have, which is one for being determined, smart, honest and detesting political games.

[Queequeg]

Also, what is this "you view the two as somehow separate" stuff?

The man has a record of piss-poor judgement on everything except the surge. 

Iraq: WHOOPIE KILL KILL KILL!
Later Bush II: HUG!
War in Ossetia: OH MY GOD BOMB MOSCOW!
Palin:
Financial Crisis: Suspension of campaign, only without any kind of suspension.

Even if you were right about Obama, better a Carter than a Francisco Solano Lopez.