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Started by Jacob, February 16, 2025, 02:00:06 PM

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Crazy_Ivan80


Syt

Quote"NATO NATIONS HAVE DONE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO HELP WITH THE LUNATIC NATION, NOW MILITARILY DECIMATED, OF IRAN. THE U.S.A. NEEDS NOTHING FROM NATO, BUT 'NEVER FORGET' THIS VERY IMPORTANT POINT IN TIME!"

I guess they don't need their bases in NATO countries anymore?
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I doubt he knows they're even there.
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crazy canuck

Quote from: Zanza on March 25, 2026, 11:43:45 PMIf this war means that the world switches to renewable energy and electrification of economy and transport that would be great.

I wonder what the sales of EVs look like this month

Thinking back to the first oil shock in the 70s, that's when Toyota was able to break into the North American market.
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Quote from: Syt on Today at 12:04:14 AMhttps://apnews.com/article/pete-hegseth-pentagon-christian-worship-service-30db48b6ceb8af5e6172fb3ba2eafaa0

QuoteWASHINGTON (AP) — Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, hosting his first monthly Christian worship service at the Pentagon since the Iran war began, prayed Wednesday to have "every round find its mark."

Hmm something wrong with my Bible, that line seems to have been omitted from the Sermon on the Mount.
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OttoVonBismarck

QuoteMiddle East crisis live: Trump says Iran 'begging to make a deal, not me'

Weird, I don't see Iran putting out statements 40+ times a day about how the war is about to be over.

Baron von Schtinkenbutt

I'm having trouble separating his lies from his delusions.

Jacob

I saw an article in Haaretz yesterday that Israel is stepping up its operational tempo - intensifying operations as it were - I preparation for the possibility that the US withdraws from the war early.

Crazy_Ivan80

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on Today at 09:04:29 AM
Quote from: Syt on Today at 12:04:14 AMhttps://apnews.com/article/pete-hegseth-pentagon-christian-worship-service-30db48b6ceb8af5e6172fb3ba2eafaa0

QuoteWASHINGTON (AP) — Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, hosting his first monthly Christian worship service at the Pentagon since the Iran war began, prayed Wednesday to have "every round find its mark."

Hmm something wrong with my Bible, that line seems to have been omitted from the Sermon on the Mount.

That was the sermon on the mount of skulls. Apocryphal

Richard Hakluyt

Does anyone else have a feeling that Hegseth may have misunderstood the gist of Jesus' teachings?

OttoVonBismarck

Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on Today at 10:43:10 AMI'm having trouble separating his lies from his delusions.

I suspect he is as well.

OttoVonBismarck

Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on Today at 11:03:42 AMDoes anyone else have a feeling that Hegseth may have misunderstood the gist of Jesus' teachings?


Of course, he's Evangelical, it's Christianity tailor made for the ignorant and stupid. There's virtually no serious theology in evangelicalism. It is all centered around charismatic imbeciles usually manipulating congregations for money.

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Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on Today at 11:01:38 AMThat was the sermon on the mount of skulls. Apocryphal
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Quote from: Syt on Today at 12:04:14 AM
Quoteoverwhelming violence of action against those who deserve no mercy."

That is the perfect theological statement of faith for MAGA Christianity right there.
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#1259
Here's what I think the high level objectives of the participants in the current war are:

Israel - weaken Iran as much as possible, regime change is desirable but a stretch goal; dismantle Hezbollah and similar Iranian clients; expand Israeli lebensraum in Lebanon; keep Nethanyahu in charge and out of prison.

US - assuage Trump's ego; enable grifting opportunities for the Trump family and select clients; wider American (and Trump) control of the global petro-economy.

GCC States - reopen the Strait of Hormuz; rebuild their infrastructure; ensure this doesn't happen again one way or the other.

Iran - I think their goals have been clearly stated in the five points they released yesterday.

Here's what I see as the main direction of some of the major non-participants:

China - keep Iran in the fight to quagmire the US as much as possible; use the instability to gain influence.

Russia - keep Iran in the fight to quagmire the US as much as possible; hope war materiel for Ukraine is redirected to the Middle East; benefit from increases in oil prices; enjoy the increased strain on NATO.

The EU - stay out of the fighting; be ready to "guarantee stability" when the fighting (hopefully) settles down.

Beyond that, Pakistan seems to be trying to position themselves as mediators, while India and East Asia is mostly about trying to weather the storm. I don't really know what's going on in Central and South America or Africa or how the repercussions are playing out there.

Any thoughts or additional insight from anyone? How's the world dealing with this?