Europa Universalis V confirmed

[garbon]

Why are you guys still buying Pdox games on release, after all these years?

+1

[crazy canuck]

Because it was good on release, as most of their games are.

[garbon]

Because it was good on release, as most of their games are.

Sure, sweetie...

[Valmy]

Why are you guys still buying Pdox games on release, after all these years?

I haven't bought one on release since...I don't know. Hearts of Iron 2?

This one just interested me.

The problem this game has, and it is basically the same problem as every paradox game since EU3 has had. It just plays too fucking slow. I don't have the time to play EU5 to really get what I want out of it. I could load up EU2 and play from 1419 into the 1700s in an afternnon...ok more like noon to midnight but still. I can barely make it 100 years in EU5 in that time.

And that just doesn't work for me. I love the game but damn.

And them patching it up right isn't going to change that.

I took a break for the holidays but sort of debating myself if I want to try it again. Not really being able to play the number of games I would like is annoying.

[Valmy]

A lot of the above would be more likely to happen with a later start date.

Yes, this is a hill I'll die on. 

Yeah. This problem was entirely caused by the starting date. I said it way back at the time we heard what the starting date would be. Starting in 1337 means that Russia is unlikely to form, the Ottomans might not win, the Austrians might not become a great power, there will likely be no Timurids, and likely no Ming. Castille was just as likely to merge with Portugal as Aragon with that starting date as well and that is another really big alt-history thing that might be more likely than not.

That is almost entirely due to the conditions at the starting date. They need later starting dates if they want the historical great powers to be the historical great powers.

[Syt]

Why are you guys still buying Pdox games on release, after all these years?

I haven't bought one on release since...I don't know. Hearts of Iron 2?

This one just interested me.

The problem this game has, and it is basically the same problem as every paradox game since EU3 has had. It just plays too fucking slow. I don't have the time to play EU5 to really get what I want out of it. I could load up EU2 and play from 1419 into the 1700s in an afternnon...ok more like noon to midnight but still. I can barely make it 100 years in EU5 in that time.

And that just doesn't work for me. I love the game but damn.

And them patching it up right isn't going to change that.

I took a break for the holidays but sort of debating myself if I want to try it again. Not really being able to play the number of games I would like is annoying.

That's one of the nice things of Victoria 3 - the campaign length is manageable.

[The Minsky Moment]

John of Gaunt had a good shot at taking the throne of Castille in the 14th century.

Yeah it's pretty obvious you can't start in 1337 AND have a reasonably close outcome to the RL state system by the 17th or 18th centuries unless you lay down some pretty durable railroad tracks to push it that way.

[Richard Hakluyt]

I think there is space for another game, 1648-1815 perhaps; which would cover the Ancien Regime nicely, with an excellent endgame crisis to keep the players intrigued and motivated to actually finish the game.