Quo Vadis, Democrats?

[Josquius]

Yeah, maybe don't call members of the working class inbred.

 
You don't do that in America? Make fun of really shitty rural places by saying they've all got six toes and one surname?

I'm obviously not speaking about working class people here. In case you forgot I'm working class. I'm talking about a specific hick cliche.

[HVC]

I'm not sure how the presumed reference to working class became "inbred."  In Georgia, it is perfectly legal to marry a first cousin.  Clearly, Dwayne doesn't consider that inbreeding.

And Dwayne is a standard name of Irish origin. Names lack color.

Indeed, I've known many a white and Asian La'Kisha

While no ethnicity "owns" a name*, I don't think you can go so far as to say that certain names aren't tied to certain ethnicities.

*Although with the whole cultural appropriation thing that might change .

[HVC]

Yeah, maybe don't call members of the working class inbred.

 
You don't do that in America? Make fun of really shitty rural places by saying they've all got six toes and one surname?

"dammit, why can't liberals win the rural vote? They must all be fascist ."

[Josquius]

Yeah, maybe don't call members of the working class inbred.

 
You don't do that in America? Make fun of really shitty rural places by saying they've all got six toes and one surname?

"dammit, why can't liberals win the rural vote? They must all be fascist ."

I'm a socialist so....
And I note you excluded the word "shitty" there.
There also usually needs to be a super remoteness involved. Here you most often hear it of Cornwall and Norfolk for some reason.
I'm amazed the hillbilly stereotype seems to no longer exist to such an extent 

[Neil]

The most famous Dwayne is a white person, Deputy Police Chief Dwayne T. Robinson, from Die Hard. 

[Razgovory]

Yeah, maybe don't call members of the working class inbred.

 
You don't do that in America? Make fun of really shitty rural places by saying they've all got six toes and one surname?

I'm obviously not speaking about working class people here. In case you forgot I'm working class. I'm talking about a specific hick cliche.

No, you are an elite, and your attitude is common among elites, and in the US it doesn't really help.

[Barrister]

Yeah, maybe don't call members of the working class inbred.

 
You don't do that in America? Make fun of really shitty rural places by saying they've all got six toes and one surname?

"dammit, why can't liberals win the rural vote? They must all be fascist ."

I'm a socialist so....
And I note you excluded the word "shitty" there.
There also usually needs to be a super remoteness involved. Here you most often hear it of Cornwall and Norfolk for some reason.
I'm amazed the hillbilly stereotype seems to no longer exist to such an extent 

You know, "socialist" is generally an elite political position these days...

[Josquius]

So say the conspiracy nuts.

Yeah, maybe don't call members of the working class inbred.

 
You don't do that in America? Make fun of really shitty rural places by saying they've all got six toes and one surname?

I'm obviously not speaking about working class people here. In case you forgot I'm working class. I'm talking about a specific hick cliche.

No, you are an elite, and your attitude is common among elites, and in the US it doesn't really help.

A middle class twit says I'm not working class and I'm part of the elite.  OK then that proves it.

If only my view was common then the dems wouldn't have lost.

[Valmy]

You don't do that in America? Make fun of really shitty rural places by saying they've all got six toes and one surname?

I'm obviously not speaking about working class people here. In case you forgot I'm working class. I'm talking about a specific hick cliche.

I sort of did in the past as a joke. You know, the joking rivalry between the urban and rural folks.

But nothing is really fucking funny anymore. Shit is getting serious. And it sucks.

No, you are an elite, and your attitude is common among elites, and in the US it doesn't really help.

See? Nothing is allowed to be funny anymore. You say a joke like that and everybody is like "YOU ARE WHY TRUMP WON YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE."

So...yeah. Shit is serious.

[Barrister]

This is not a joke.

Josquis is an elite.

No, not "top 1%" elite, but an elite.  He's university educated (Erasmus program no less), lived abroad, owns his own home.

I get his family and upbringing is working class, but there's no definition that doesn't put him in the upper middle class.

Not that there's something wrong with that!  He should celebrate it!  Nor should he forget his working class roots.

I was just listening to a podcast describing the modern educated intellectual class, who always thinks of themselves as being the working poor, and always defines "the elites" as making just a tiny amount more than they are making.  It was US-focused but 100% could have been describing Jos.

[crazy canuck]

This is not a joke.

Josquis is an elite.

No, not "top 1%" elite, but an elite.  He's university educated (Erasmus program no less), lived abroad, owns his own home.

I get his family and upbringing is working class, but there's no definition that doesn't put him in the upper middle class.

Not that there's something wrong with that!  He should celebrate it!  Nor should he forget his working class roots.

I was just listening to a podcast describing the modern educated intellectual class, who always thinks of themselves as being the working poor, and always defines "the elites" as making just a tiny amount more than they are making.  It was US-focused but 100% could have been describing Jos.

As someone who came from a working class family and is now part of the elite, I agree with and endorse the entirety of this post.

[Habbaku]

I was just listening to a podcast describing the modern educated intellectual class, who always thinks of themselves as being the working poor, and always defines "the elites" as making just a tiny amount more than they are making.  It was US-focused but 100% could have been describing Jos.

I thought that was an excellent conversation, and worth listening to for others:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/elite-envy/id1291144720?i=1000680940495

[Razgovory]

I was just listening to a podcast describing the modern educated intellectual class, who always thinks of themselves as being the working poor, and always defines "the elites" as making just a tiny amount more than they are making.  It was US-focused but 100% could have been describing Jos.

I thought that was an excellent conversation, and worth listening to for others:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/elite-envy/id1291144720?i=1000680940495

I just read  [color=rgba(255, 255, 255, 0.92)]Musa al-Gharb's book.  Very interesting [/color]

[Razgovory]

So say the conspiracy nuts.

Yeah, maybe don't call members of the working class inbred.

 
You don't do that in America? Make fun of really shitty rural places by saying they've all got six toes and one surname?

I'm obviously not speaking about working class people here. In case you forgot I'm working class. I'm talking about a specific hick cliche.

No, you are an elite, and your attitude is common among elites, and in the US it doesn't really help.

A middle class twit says I'm not working class and I'm part of the elite.  OK then that proves it.

If only my view was common then the dems wouldn't have lost.

You know I live on welfare right?  You make more money than me.

[Josquius]

I was just listening to a podcast describing the modern educated intellectual class, who always thinks of themselves as being the working poor, and always defines "the elites" as making just a tiny amount more than they are making.  It was US-focused but 100% could have been describing Jos.

I'm not sure how much you think I'm making... But it's really not in the hundreds of thousands.
I think we've gone over this before. It's a NA/British difference.
 In my book current income has very little to do with  class. Grab an uneducated nobody from a sink estate and stick him on   a million a year and he doesn't suddenly become an elite. He's a working (or hell, maybe lumpen or sometimes these days middle) class person on a ridiculous salary.

This is not a joke.

Josquis is an elite.

No, not "top 1%" elite, but an elite.  He's university educated (Erasmus program no less), lived abroad, owns his own home.

I get his family and upbringing is working class, but there's no definition that doesn't put him in the upper middle class.

Not that there's something wrong with that!  He should celebrate it!  Nor should he forget his working class roots.

If I'm an elite then we are even more fucked than we already seemed to be.
What shitty low qualifications are those? Working abroad? Owning a house? Countless working class people tick those boxes.
As to education... It's 2024. Half of the country went to uni.
  If half of the country are elites the word clearly means something very different to you.

My family and upbringing matter as they made me. They are why I am who I am.
They are why I would willingly take considerably higher tax for myself if it meant an uplift for the country as a whole.
 They are why as a straight cis white guy with a degree, injustice and inequality in all it's forms still boils my piss.

Check back in 25 years and if life has stayed on track then maybe I can hold up my hands and say I'm middle class as I'd have lived the majority of my life under a decent salary.
As things stand right now though the shadow of poverty still looms. The lessons it brought are hard to break.

You know I live on welfare right?  You make more money than me.

You said  your dad was a programmer.
And when you were a kid that was an even better job than today. Not to mention the education it needs which was there for you.
You have a solidly middle class upbringing.