What does a BIDEN Presidency look like?

[Josquius]

I get the feeling like so much stuff the modern right get up to it's less they actually oppose contraception much and more they know it will really piss off teh libs.

[Solmyr]

So what is up with Joe Manchin suddenly doing a 180 turn on climate change and healthcare?

[Grey Fox]

Trust nothing until they actually hold a vote. Manchin is very good at making sure he is the most important senator.

[garbon]

Trust nothing until they actually hold a vote. Manchin is very good at making sure he is the most important senator.

There is also Sinema.

[Valmy]

Trust nothing until they actually hold a vote. Manchin is very good at making sure he is the most important senator.

Does all this help him back home in WV? If it does I guess it is pain worth suffering. It is not like we can expect something better out of that state.

[Eddie Teach]

All the coal-filled stockings left you bitter, eh?

[Valmy]

All the coal-filled stockings left you bitter, eh?

I have nothing against WV, I am just realistic to know a right wing Democrat is the best we can reasonably expect politically.

[Sheilbh]

So what is up with Joe Manchin suddenly doing a 180 turn on climate change and healthcare?

From what I've read China hawkery - at least on energy and need to be self-reliant/de-couple on energy including through decarbonisation (which should be made in America).

[viper37]

I get the feeling like so much stuff the modern right get up to it's less they actually oppose contraception much and more they know it will really piss off teh libs.

it's not exactly new.  Pope John Paul II opposed contraception.  I think it's still official Vatican policy to opposed it, but they are much less vocal about it.

it's just that now they feel empowere by their Supreme Court to fuck up everyone's life.

[Josquius]

I get the feeling like so much stuff the modern right get up to it's less they actually oppose contraception much and more they know it will really piss off teh libs.

it's not exactly new.  Pope John Paul II opposed contraception.  I think it's still official Vatican policy to opposed it, but they are much less vocal about it.

it's just that now they feel empowere by their Supreme Court to fuck up everyone's life.

These American Conservative nuts are mostly various forms of reformed Christian right?
Anglicans at least have traditionally been fine with johnnies. Do calvinists align with popery?

[Sheilbh]

It's hard to overstate the influence of the Catholic right on political evangelism in the US - I mean just look at the Supreme Court, Alito in Rome, Bannon's far-right project in Italy (I think now blocked by the Church), First Things, "common good" constitutionalism. Not to mention all the conservative intellectual standard bearers like Buckley.

Worth noting a lot comes from converts (not Buckley) which is an interesting side to it and possibly speaks to what they were looking for in the Catholic Church.

Edit: And it goes both ways - the most hardline ultra-conservative/trad organisations in the Catholic Church get bucketloads of cash from the US and are in big fights on many fronts with Francis.

[alfred russel]

Contraception isn't going to be banned in the US. If it went to the states maybe Utah, but I'm saying that with some ignorance of the politics there. The two major churches against contraception are the mormons and catholics, neither of which are players in the US south (the culturally conservative region you people seem to think will ban contraceptives). Protestant groups politically have been allying with catholics on a bunch of issues for many reasons. But if you go to marriage counseling in the south or talk to the ministers contraception is a part of family planning. There is a reason ministers have 2 kids instead of a dozen.

Abortion and gay marriage are different. But thinking contraception is going to be banned is madness.

[Berkut]

I thought abortion being banned was madness, yet here we are.

[Sheilbh]

Abortion and gay marriage are different. But thinking contraception is going to be banned is madness.

I agree - but Griswold is the other ruling that's been pointed at as clearly wrongly decided and from my understanding would be squarely in scope under the approach to overturn Roe.

Where it might come up I imagine is health insurance.

[OttoVonBismarck]

The thing is contraception is already banned in some states, those laws just are dormant because of Griswold. I wouldn't wager money on a state like Alabama explicitly unbanning contraceptives even in 2022, were Griswold to fall.