US Election Week 2020

[Valmy]

Why run with an anti-Trump message when he's lost?

Because he is still President and will be when this election takes place and it was the anti-Trump coalition that just barely won the state.

And he will still dominate the news cycle.

Arguably the bigger risk with Trump is that he keeps pushing a message that the electoral system is fraudulent and focusing attention of his supporters on his legal fights etc. That's probably not helpful messaging for the GOP in Georgia. They'd probably rather he was in Georgia focusing on Loeffler and Perdue and trying to increase turnout.

And that's good. Maybe some of his voters will not even show up or maybe the Trump/GOP establishment fight will really hurt the Republicans in this election.

He will be, at best, a distraction.

A distraction from Chuck Schumer and the New York liberals.

[Razgovory]

I think the rallies are just to make Donald Trump feel better.

[grumbler]

The race in question was for District 13 in Virginia's House of Delegates when Danica Roem defeated self-described "chief homophobe" and co-sponsor of the anti-trans bathroom bill Bob Marshall back in 2017. She won again in 2019 against Kelly McGinn.

Ah.  I assumed that we were discussing this election, not the 2017 election.   Thanks for the clarification.

[Sophie Scholl]

The race in question was for District 13 in Virginia's House of Delegates when Danica Roem defeated self-described "chief homophobe" and co-sponsor of the anti-trans bathroom bill Bob Marshall back in 2017. She won again in 2019 against Kelly McGinn.

Ah.  I assumed that we were discussing this election, not the 2017 election.   Thanks for the clarification.

I presume that is what was being referenced in terms of the trans woman beating the bathroom bill guy. There were trans individuals elected this cycle as well though, so perhaps people had read an article combining the progress in representation made by the group the last few elections?

[alfred russel]

I think an anti-Donald Trump message, he will probably act like an idiot between now and January, and tie Loeffler and Perdue to him combined with messaging designed to get out and fire up the Democratic voters are the best bets. You cannot hide Chuck Schumer or convince Georgians somehow he doesn't exist.

Every single voter who showed up and voted for Joe Biden in Georgia has to show up for Ossoff and Warnock (and I believe Joe ran ahead of Ossoff for sure), a small percentage of the Trump voters have to stay home, and the third party voters have to stay home or break for Ossoff and Warnock. It is a long shot.

Warnock is an awesome candidate and oozes charisma, but Ossoff really sucks. Loeffler is a terrible candidate -- Perdue is completely unremarkable.

I doubt many people will vote a split ticket though.

[Valmy]

Warnock is an awesome candidate and oozes charisma, but Ossoff really sucks. Loeffler is a terrible candidate -- Perdue is completely unremarkable.

I doubt many people will vote a split ticket though.

If that is true then Warnock vs Loeffler needs to be the focus of the effort in Georgia. If you can win that one Ossoff might sneak in as well.

[The Brain]

Does anyone in the US have a real name?

[Eddie Teach]

Like Lars or Olaf? Yes.

[The Brain]

Good.

[Habbaku]

https://www.ajc.com/politics/georgias-senators-seek-secretary-of-states-resignation-over-election/A3JUFWTWORDH7LTL2XSZ7ODWPA/

Georgia's two Republican senators called on Republican Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger to resign Monday, saying he's responsible for unspecified "failures" with the state's elections as they prepare for consequential runoffs Jan. 5.

They provided no evidence to support claims of inaccuracies in Georgia's election, where President-elect Joe Biden led by over 10,500 votes.

Sens. David Perdue and Kelly Loeffler joined a growing chorus of Trump supporters claiming there were election irregularities without offering specifics or proof. The two Republicans are attempting to energize conservatives upset over Trump's defeat, though they stopped short of saying it was "stolen."

"We believe when there are failures, they need to be called out — even when it's in your own party," said the joint statement from Perdue and Loeffler. "The secretary of state has failed to deliver honest and transparent elections. He has failed the people of Georgia, and he should step down immediately."

The senators didn't say what they thought went wrong in the election.

Their letter came after the secretary of state's office on Monday debunked several conspiracy theories about missing or mishandled ballots.

State election officials said it's false that military ballots went missing, ballots were dumped in Spalding County, ballots were harvested or results were inaccurate.

"The facts are the facts, regardless of outcomes," said Gabriel Sterling, the state's voting system manager for the secretary of state's office during a press conference before the senators' statement. "That's one of the things we're focusing on here, is getting our count accurate and right."

The balance of power in the U.S. Senate might be at stake during Georgia's runoffs on Jan. 5. Perdue faces Democrat Jon Ossoff, and Loeffler is opposed by Democrat Raphael Warnock.

Within minutes of the senators' attack on Raffensperger, Trump appeared to back them up.

"Georgia will be a big presidential win, as it was the night of the Election!" Trump wrote on Twitter.

Raffensperger didn't immediately provide a comment.

A recount of the presidential race is likely.

Georgia law gives losing candidates the right to a recount upon request if they lost by less than half a percentage point.

Trump's campaign announced that U.S. Rep. Doug Collins, who finished third in the U.S. Senate special election, will lead the effort to find evidence of "irregularities that will prove that President Trump won Georgia."

So far, local and state election officials haven't found evidence of anything more than minor issues caused by human error in a handful of counties, Sterling said. All problems have been corrected before certification of results.

They're getting desperate down here.

[Syt]

What I don't get about those fraud claims - if cheating decided the decided the vote in favor of Biden then why didn't the conspirators also rig the Senate and House polls?

[katmai]

The race in question was for District 13 in Virginia's House of Delegates when Danica Roem defeated self-described "chief homophobe" and co-sponsor of the anti-trans bathroom bill Bob Marshall back in 2017. She won again in 2019 against Kelly McGinn.

Ah.  I assumed that we were discussing this election, not the 2017 election.   Thanks for the clarification.

I presume that is what was being referenced in terms of the trans woman beating the bathroom bill guy. There were trans individuals elected this cycle as well though, so perhaps people had read an article combining the progress in representation made by the group the last few elections?

both of you made mistake of parsing a tyr post.

[katmai]

What I don't get about those fraud claims - if cheating decided the decided the vote in favor of Biden then why didn't the conspirators also rig the Senate and House polls?

need to play more 4D chess syt!

[alfred russel]

What I don't get about those fraud claims - if cheating decided the decided the vote in favor of Biden then why didn't the conspirators also rig the Senate and House polls?

The cheating accusations are absolutely ludicrous but Trump has his supporters believing them and the Senate candidates are terrified his supporters will blame the GOP (and not vote for them in the runoff). So the Republican secretary of state gets thrown under the bus.

What I don't get is why Trump supporters believe him. Maybe you think Trump is great despite a strained relationship with the truth, but at this point how can you think he is the most credible guy in the room?

[FunkMonk]

Apparently Mike Pence is going on vacation for a week in Florida 

I guess that's where he'll hide out waiting for the court fight charade to pass.