Fidel Castro Dead

[Zanza]

https://twitter.com/frankieboyle/status/802639997509595136

Ouch.

[Valmy]

When in Rome.

[viper37]

But then during the campaign, the Conservatives decided to go one step further and create a hotline for barbaric cultural practices.  It was a step too far, but then Justin decided to play the racism card and started pandering to the extremists who could get the vote out and denounced the hotline and the bill.  No journalists pointed the fact that he did vote for it though, but that was expected.

SO bottom line is that the quote is false? 

Truth is a matter of perspective, apparently.  I'd say it's not untrue.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-retracts-barbaric-remarks-1.985386

He had a problem calling this practice and others barbaric.

[CountDeMoney]

https://twitter.com/frankieboyle/status/802639997509595136

Ouch.

The rest of them are priceless 

[Phillip V]

If Cuba is unwilling to make a better deal for the Cuban people, the Cuban/American people and the U.S. as a whole, I will terminate deal.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/803237535178772481

[Jacob]

If Cuba is unwilling to make a better deal for the Cuban people, the Cuban/American people and the U.S. as a whole, I will terminate deal.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/803237535178772481

What deal is he going to terminate? The Guantanamo base lease?

[Josephus]

Imho yeah, Fidel Castro brought many good things to Cuba. He also brought shitloads of bad things that weren't all that necessary in order to bring the good ones. You don't need to become a repressive dictator for nearly 60 years in order to improve education and healthcare, and kick out the mob and its cronies.

I wish my leftie comrades were able to call a spade a spade.

The USA has yet to do any of that

[The Minsky Moment]

Truth is a matter of perspective, apparently.  I'd say it's not untrue.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-retracts-barbaric-remarks-1.985386

He had a problem calling this practice and others barbaric.

So it's a lie.
If you put quotation marks around a statement, it means that person made that statement verbatim.  That didn't happen, nothing close to that happened.  It's false.

It's also very misleading, because Trudeau said that the acts in question could be called "barbaric" in ordinary parlance, but took issue with the use of the kind of emotive language in a governmental act.  Accuse of him of being overly PC, or insensitive to victims, or obtuse, or not "saying it how it is" or any number of things.  But it is a lie to put into his mouth words he never said, and ideas he didn't express.

[derspiess]

When in Rome.

  Yes, go on.

[Valmy]

When in Rome.

  Yes, go on.

Having torture camps in Cuba.

[Valmy]

Imho yeah, Fidel Castro brought many good things to Cuba. He also brought shitloads of bad things that weren't all that necessary in order to bring the good ones. You don't need to become a repressive dictator for nearly 60 years in order to improve education and healthcare, and kick out the mob and its cronies.

I wish my leftie comrades were able to call a spade a spade.

The USA has yet to do any of that

We haven't? Because our government spends a shit ton of money on those things.

[Admiral Yi]

So it's a lie.
If you put quotation marks around a statement, it means that person made that statement verbatim.  That didn't happen, nothing close to that happened.  It's false.

It's also very misleading, because Trudeau said that the acts in question could be called "barbaric" in ordinary parlance, but took issue with the use of the kind of emotive language in a governmental act.  Accuse of him of being overly PC, or insensitive to victims, or obtuse, or not "saying it how it is" or any number of things.  But it is a lie to put into his mouth words he never said, and ideas he didn't express.

I don't see how you know it's not a verbatim quote and I don't see how you can say he said nothing close to what was quoted.  According to Veep's link he said calling honor killings barbaric was "objectionable."  That's pretty damn close to saying "you shouldn't call honor killings barbaric."

[grumbler]

Imho yeah, Fidel Castro brought many good things to Cuba. He also brought shitloads of bad things that weren't all that necessary in order to bring the good ones. You don't need to become a repressive dictator for nearly 60 years in order to improve education and healthcare, and kick out the mob and its cronies.

I wish my leftie comrades were able to call a spade a spade.

The USA has yet to do any of that

Then no country ever has done that.  So what?  That truism doesn't detract from the point about the repressive dictatorship.

[grumbler]

So it's a lie.
If you put quotation marks around a statement, it means that person made that statement verbatim.  That didn't happen, nothing close to that happened.  It's false.

It's also very misleading, because Trudeau said that the acts in question could be called "barbaric" in ordinary parlance, but took issue with the use of the kind of emotive language in a governmental act.  Accuse of him of being overly PC, or insensitive to victims, or obtuse, or not "saying it how it is" or any number of things.  But it is a lie to put into his mouth words he never said, and ideas he didn't express.

I don't see how you know it's not a verbatim quote and I don't see how you can say he said nothing close to what was quoted.  According to Veep's link he said calling honor killings barbaric was "objectionable."  That's pretty damn close to saying "you shouldn't call honor killings barbaric."

The point is that, when you quote someone, you have to quote them verbatim, or else you are lying when you imply that it is a quote, as in this case.  Quotes that are "pretty damn close" are still lies.  A lie doesn't become true because people think that it, while false, is probably close to true.

[derspiess]

When in Rome.

  Yes, go on.

Having torture camps in Cuba.

Never mind. 


Stay classy, Valmy