What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

[Monoriu]

I am more interested in whether this Space Force has any star ships, armadas, gundams, death stars, millennium falcons, enterprises, etc.

[Tonitrus]

They have some rockets, some satellites, and maybe that super secret space-plane thingie...if the USAF even gave it up.

[Zoupa]

Drumpf pardoned Stone, Manafort and Kushner's dad.

What's the point of the DOJ? Just abolish it already, save some $. What a banana republic the US has become.

[11B4V]

Did you think he wasn't going to do it..... just sit back, he isn't done.

[Barrister]

Did you think he wasn't going to do it..... just sit back, he isn't done.

Oh there's no doubt about that!

So who does he pardon on Christmas Eve?

[Sophie Scholl]

Ivanka, Jarod, and Don, Jr. *or* Eric. Not both though.

[Sheilbh]

I've seen some commenters say that "heritage" and "culture" would be dog whistles for white supremacists. What's Languish's take on that?

In this context, that is frankly nonsense.  The USSF is a child (more of a Kuato, really) of the USAF, and we throw around "heritage" all the time as the equivalent of a meaningless corporate buzzword, typically to justify something we do that is silly/banal, or to return to doing something silly/banal that we had stopped doing some time ago.

Incidentally I love architecture and design accounts and images so I follow loads of them. It was a few months before I realised that 90% of the ones that focused on "classical" architecture or "beauty" or "heritage" are if not full blown Nazi, very Nazi adjacent.

Like I'd click on a nice picture of some Viennese Palace to zoom in on a detail and then realise all the comments were about how Europe was being ruined by Muslims and socialists. It was crazy. A really very strange, niche area of the internet.

Edit: And this is far less of a risk if you just use Pinterest - so far the nazis haven't got into pinterest.

[Sheilbh]

Drumpf pardoned Stone, Manafort and Kushner's dad.

What's the point of the DOJ? Just abolish it already, save some $. What a banana republic the US has become.

So I read in the NYT and Axios that Trump is asking people about pardons (as in - do they want one) in casual conversation with people now

I think it's about 50-50 that he might pardon Joe Exotic at this rate.

[Caliga]

I think it's about 50-50 that he might pardon Joe Exotic at this rate.

[Oexmelin]

Incidentally I love architecture and design accounts and images so I follow loads of them. It was a few months before I realised that 90% of the ones that focused on "classical" architecture or "beauty" or "heritage" are if not full blown Nazi, very Nazi adjacent.

Yes. As I said elsewhere, it's a very real problem in an increasing number of topics. Classicists and medievalists have had to reckon with the increased presence of Nazi, fascists, and white supremacists in their courses, drawn by the very real linkages established by historical Nazis with these periods of history. It's also been a problem in online courses during the pandemic, with troll attacks (also in courses dealing with African-American history).

And, of course, in Britain, many seem to think that the only way to salvage a sense of national history is to cling to all unsavory aspects of the British Empire, and that every attack on its toxic legacy is somehow an act of treason.

And as noted by Syt, it's also a problem on Star Wars related sites and channels, with people drawn to the aesthetics and coolness factor of the Empire.

Trump may have been defeated, but fascism is still on the rise. Historians have shown how the glorification of war shaped expectations of young soldiers in 1914, and the subsequent resentment, fascism. I think we should worry about how our global, cultural glorification of being a "badass" feeds into expectations and dreams of people today.

[Razgovory]

That is disappointing. I had to learn all the structures in the Parthenon.  I never made the connection between that and the Nazis.

[Valmy]

That is disappointing. I had to learn all the structures in the Parthenon.  I never made the connection between that and the Nazis.

Well fortunately the Nazis believed weird pseudo-history and mysticism and nonsense, so if you are interested in the actual Parthenon and actual ancient Greek history you will be completely unconnected with Nazis.

[Sheilbh]

That is disappointing. I had to learn all the structures in the Parthenon.  I never made the connection between that and the Nazis.

Just be glad you never got into the Vikings

[Valmy]

Yes. As I said elsewhere, it's a very real problem in an increasing number of topics. Classicists and medievalists have had to reckon with the increased presence of Nazi, fascists, and white supremacists in their courses, drawn by the very real linkages established by historical Nazis with these periods of history. It's also been a problem in online courses during the pandemic, with troll attacks (also in courses dealing with African-American history).

And, of course, in Britain, many seem to think that the only way to salvage a sense of national history is to cling to all unsavory aspects of the British Empire, and that every attack on its toxic legacy is somehow an act of treason.

And as noted by Syt, it's also a problem on Star Wars related sites and channels, with people drawn to the aesthetics and coolness factor of the Empire.

Trump may have been defeated, but fascism is still on the rise. Historians have shown how the glorification of war shaped expectations of young soldiers in 1914, and the subsequent resentment, fascism. I think we should worry about how our global, cultural glorification of being a "badass" feeds into expectations and dreams of people today.

Is it a problem? I mean the fringes are on the rise everywhere and academics now have to deal with these social problems and it seems to me you are well equipped to deal with them. Nazis and extremists being drawn to academic topics gives you the opportunity to show them the actual evidence and debunk their nonsense. It is almost like doing a social service. Probably better than those Nazis go form their own private racist theory pseudo-academics like they used to...well and probably are still doing but at least you get access to some of them. Public history and all that.

Obviously I am talking about the ones getting excited about Euro history not the ones trolling the African-American History courses...but even then they might learn something.

[Oexmelin]

Is it a problem? I mean the fringes are on the rise everywhere and academics now have to deal with these social problems and it seems to me you are well equipped to deal with them. Nazis and extremists being drawn to academic topics gives you the opportunity to show them the actual evidence and debunk their nonsense. It is almost like doing a social service. Probably better than those Nazis go form their own private racist theory pseudo-academics like they used to...well and probably are still doing but at least you get access to some of them. Public history and all that.

It works so well in all other forums where Nazis show up, right?

In my experience, if you are already a fascist when you show up at university, there is precious little that a professor talking about gender roles in Viking society will say that will change your mind.

I mean, sometimes it can work. How much of it "works" is really up to the nature/stance of those fascists, or fascist-adjacent. For many, just like in the rest of society, it's about confirming their favorite stance. Some are in it for the trolling and the intimidation, denouncing their professors to their network of like-minded boys and seeing it as yet another proof of the degeneracy of the modern university. Others are in the ordinary half-baked stance of college students - that is, having to confront long-held certainties with new information, which can be hard. It is hard when it concerns, say, the myths of American history. The problem with fascist history fanboys, is that they tend to have read more than most, and thus, believe their certainties to be much more grounded in facts than others who tend to be more indifferent to the material.

I think that, initially, classicists and medievalists tended to think themselves as shielded from the sort of devotion that suffused "national" history, and tended to think that all enthusiasm was good enthusiasm. To address these sorts of underlying fascist currents, they needed to realize what they were rooted in.

Obviously I am talking about the ones getting excited about Euro history not the ones trolling the African-American History courses...but even then they might learn something.

You think too highly of trolls.