What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

[Sheilbh]

 So I see the Press Secretary as part of a PC gone mad/anti-police comment said Paw Patrol had been cancelled. The White House has been corrected by Nickelodeon

[Maladict]

You know, it would be more interesting if you'd actually say what you thought.

When it comes to sexual assault victims (who are almost invariably women) I just figure they might not be comfortable being alone with a strange man in a room.  So I figure it'll make her more comfortable to have a woman present as well.  And maybe most are comfortable, but I don't know who would be and who wouldn't be.

More generally... I'm not a follower of the "Billy Graham rule" (or as I see it now the "Mike Pence rule"), but I maintain it's not terrible.  It's all about appearances.  It's not about not meeting with a woman, or not mentoring a woman, or what not - it's about not being alone.  Or depending on the interpretation, not being alone when alcohol is present.

Adhering to that rule means you think there's something wrong with you, or that there's something wrong with all women.

So which do you adhere to, BB? Something wrong with you, or you believe there's something wrong with all women?

It's amazing the vitriol that calling something "not terrible" will attract.

Just to be clear, I wasn't saying either of those apply to you. But I stand by the remark itself.

[merithyn]

It's amazing the vitriol that calling something "not terrible" will attract.

It's about avoiding the appearance of impropriety.  Which is almost as important as avoiding impropriety itself.  I was running a trial last week.  Defence lawyer talked about how he owned a liquor store, that he was closing... and I should come over to get any discounts he could offer me.

I don't think he was trying to bribe me.  But there's no way I could take advantage of the offer without potentially appearing corrupt.

It's all about the appearance of impropriety.

That you equate being alone with a woman who isn't your wife the same as a defense attorney offering you a deal on liquor offends me.

It's not inappropriate to have a private conversation with a colleague. And this mentality is why women are constantly held back. Because you wouldn't think twice about that same conversation with a man, ergo it's just easier with a man in the office than a woman. Do you not see that?

[Admiral Yi]

That you equate being alone with a woman who isn't your wife the same as a defense attorney offering you a deal on liquor offends me.

Why does it offend you if Beeb thinks other people will leap to conclusions? 

[The Minsky Moment]

That you equate being alone with a woman who isn't your wife the same as a defense attorney offering you a deal on liquor offends me.

Why does it offend you if Beeb thinks other people will leap to conclusions?

"And this mentality is why women are constantly held back. Because you wouldn't think twice about that same conversation with a man, ergo it's just easier with a man in the office than a woman. Do you not see that?"

Just below the other line.

[ulmont]

That you equate being alone with a woman who isn't your wife the same as a defense attorney offering you a deal on liquor offends me.

Why does it offend you if Beeb thinks other people will leap to conclusions?

It's explicit gender discrimination (i.e., making different decisions and actions based on gender) in a professional setting, which leads to female workers receiving less personal attention and quite possibly less opportunities as a result.

[Valmy]

I have had nothing but female bosses since 2004 and I meet with them alone all the time to talk business. Not even the most obnoxious busybody has ever even raised an eyebrow about it. I find it very hard to believe that this kind of thing is actually an issue.

[The Brain]

I have a hard time seeing anyone in Sweden being able to function in a professional setting if they won't have one-on-one meetings with women, if they somehow manage to get hired in the first place. Obviously the US is different.

[Admiral Yi]

"And this mentality is why women are constantly held back. Because you wouldn't think twice about that same conversation with a man, ergo it's just easier with a man in the office than a woman. Do you not see that?"

Just below the other line.

"This mentality" being the belief that other people will leap to conclusions?  That's an offensive belief?

[The Minsky Moment]

"This mentality" being the belief that other people will leap to conclusions?  That's an offensive belief?

You can believe what you want. What is offensive is conduct based on that belief that discriminates against others.

[Razgovory]

It's a bit odd to assume that any interaction between a lone man and a woman is probably going to turn sexual in nature.

Particularly when one of the people involved is Mike Pence.

[Maladict]

Does it really matter if the setting is professional or private?

[The Brain]

Does it really matter if the setting is professional or private?

Matter to whom?

[Maladict]

Does it really matter if the setting is professional or private?

Matter to whom?

We seem to be focusing on the workplace. I think the rule is applied in general, no?

[The Brain]

Does it really matter if the setting is professional or private?

Matter to whom?

We seem to be focusing on the workplace. I think the rule is applied in general, no?

It depends from whose perspective. For a guy like Pence who doesn't trust himself around women then it doesn't matter much if it's professional or private. To general observers it matters a lot if it's professional or private, I don't give a fuck if someone is weird in private as long as he acts professionally at work.