What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

[Barrister]

You know, it would be more interesting if you'd actually say what you thought.

When it comes to sexual assault victims (who are almost invariably women) I just figure they might not be comfortable being alone with a strange man in a room.  So I figure it'll make her more comfortable to have a woman present as well.  And maybe most are comfortable, but I don't know who would be and who wouldn't be.

More generally... I'm not a follower of the "Billy Graham rule" (or as I see it now the "Mike Pence rule"), but I maintain it's not terrible.  It's all about appearances.  It's not about not meeting with a woman, or not mentoring a woman, or what not - it's about not being alone.  Or depending on the interpretation, not being alone when alcohol is present.

Adhering to that rule means you think there's something wrong with you, or that there's something wrong with all women.

So which do you adhere to, BB? Something wrong with you, or you believe there's something wrong with all women?

It's amazing the vitriol that calling something "not terrible" will attract.

It's about avoiding the appearance of impropriety.  Which is almost as important as avoiding impropriety itself.  I was running a trial last week.  Defence lawyer talked about how he owned a liquor store, that he was closing... and I should come over to get any discounts he could offer me.

I don't think he was trying to bribe me.  But there's no way I could take advantage of the offer without potentially appearing corrupt.

It's all about the appearance of impropriety.

[The Brain]

Pence thinks that having a threesome with two women who are not his wife is OK. Film at 11.

[Eddie Teach]

Well, he is a man.

[Threviel]

It's all about the appearance of impropriety.

That's just stupid. That it would be improper for a man to be alone with another woman than his closest family is just stupid through and through.

To pander for the idiots believing this is just stupid, sine you thereby quietly accept and perpetuate this stupid shit.

It's just unbelievably archaic and something we ought to throw on the dustbin of history.

[celedhring]

It's a bit odd to assume that any interaction between a lone man and a woman is probably going to turn sexual in nature.

[The Brain]

To people like Pence, wouldn't it appear more improper if Pence had sex with a man? If he can't be alone with a woman he sure as heckfire shouldn't be alone with a man, if he worries about appearances.

[Admiral Yi]

Good luck Beeb.  I tried.

[HisMajestyBOB]

To people like Pence, wouldn't it appear more improper if Pence had sex with a man? If he can't be alone with a woman he sure as heckfire shouldn't be alone with a man, if he worries about appearances.

Pence also should not be around horses unsupervised:

[grumbler]

The fact that I, as a male prosecutor, will make sure that a female is present when I interview female rape victims?  I'm not quite sure where the medieval ages come into that...

What does how you interview female rape victims have to do with the Pence policy (the topic at hand) in any way, shape, or form?  He doesn't interview female rape victims alone or in company.

[Syt]

[Eddie Teach]

Thank you, sir, may I have another?

[DGuller]

It's a bit odd to assume that any interaction between a lone man and a woman is probably going to turn sexual in nature.

I think there are a lot of unwarranted assumptions being stated as fact here, and this above is one of them.  It may not be necessarily about what Pence thinks, but rather about what other people may think.  In corporate world many men are essentially adopting a Pence rule, not because they don't trust themselves to be alone with a woman, but rather they don't trust the system to handle the situation fairly if a complaint arises as a result of them being alone with a woman. 

There may be due process on the legal side, but there is often no due process on the HR or reputation side.  The standard response from the militant types is "just don't sexually harass, and you'll be fine", but that assumes that honest misunderstanding don't happen, unreasonable people with poor perception of reality don't exist, or sociopaths who would flat out make things up don't exist.  This may be the case in the minds of people who say "just don't harass", because it's hard to be this stupidly militant in the world with shades of gray, but in the world most people live in, risk avoidance may be the most prudent strategy.

[crazy canuck]

Female CEO: I would like to have a word with you in my office

Male VP: Sure as soon as I round up someone else.  Pence Rule.  I am sure you will understand.  Some guy on the internet told me all the guys are doing it.

CEO- you fell for a Russian troll op again?

[Razgovory]

*Washington Post Article*

This is strikingly similar to how medieval peasants viewed their tyrannical kings.

[Malthus]

Anecdotally, I never dreamed of following the Pence Rule, and I'm alone with female lawyers working on stuff all the time - or was, when I still worked in an office.

I've never worried about it, or thought I was in danger from accusations. Mind you, the people I work with are all other professionals, not random members of the public.