Evaluating Obama's 8 years

[Hamilcar]

Obviously we'll have a better perspective in 5, 20 or 100 years, but now that the Obama years are almost over, how do we assess his legacy?

Personally, I'm struck by the absence of any personal scandals, and the low count of political ones. The worst he did was the surveillance of journalists a while back.

But this is languish, so have away!

[The Brain]

His wife is kinda mannish.

[Valmy]

He entrenched alot of the bad things Bush did so far as the War on Terror and so forth. But he has largely been alright besides that. The fact he couldn't get any legislation done was a bit of a downer.

[Martinus]

The funny thing, given how he is hated on the right, he should be the favourite president of any libertarian and small government conservative. He didn't do a lot.

[The Brain]

He brought Peace.

[Admiral Yi]

History will be kind to his stimulus and unkind to his handling of international



affairs, with exceptions such as the Cuba opening.  The Red Line was a disaster and most of his foreign moves have turned out badly.

How history treats Obamacare will depend on whether the previously uninsured young feel happy or angry about being compelled to buy insurance.

Other than that, he sparred with the GOP over the budget.

[Hamilcar]

History will be kind to his stimulus and unkind to his handling of international affairs, with exceptions such as the Cuba opening.  The Red Line was a disaster and most of his foreign moves have turned out badly.

You don't see the pivot to Asia as moderately successful?

[grumbler]

You don't see the pivot to Asia as moderately successful?

I think the results of the pivot are mixed right now, and won't be seen for a decade or so.  Vietnam's status/attitude ten years from now will be the barometer.

[Admiral Yi]

You don't see the pivot to Asia as moderately successful?

I don't see any improvement in either the South China Sea or North Korea.  And it could be argued that the timing of the pivot contributed to the FUBAR situation in the ME.

[CountDeMoney]

I have healthcare, so fuck all of you.  You want me dead, you fucking cunts come find me and let's square it up right then and there.  You fucking pussies.

[11B4V]

I have healthcare, so fuck all of you.  You want me dead, you fucking cunts come find me and let's square it up right then and there.  You fucking pussies.

But will it survive?

[CountDeMoney]

I have healthcare, so fuck all of you.  You want me dead, you fucking cunts come find me and let's square it up right then and there.  You fucking pussies.

But will it survive?

The fuck do you care.  Fuck off, welfare queen.

[11B4V]

I have healthcare, so fuck all of you.  You want me dead, you fucking cunts come find me and let's square it up right then and there.  You fucking pussies.

But will it survive?

The fuck do you care.  Fuck off, welfare queen.

[Monoriu]

Obama seems to be an improvement over Bush II.  Passed Obamacare, presided over an economic recovery, killed bin Laden, reduced troop commitments in Iraq and Afghanistan, rebuilt the US brand over the world, etc.  He faced an obstructionist congress, so he couldn't get too much done, particularly on gun control.  Wasn't too effective in containing Russian aggression. 

Overall a decent president, but isn't a really great one.  I rank him around 15 in the historical ranking of all US presidents. 

[grumbler]

I rank him around 15 in the historical ranking of all US presidents.

Interesting, and from an outside viewpoint.  As a matter of curiosity, and so i can get a feel for your metrics, between which two presidents would you sandwich him (roughly)?