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Started by Syt, December 06, 2015, 01:55:02 PM

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Duque de Bragança


Darth Wagtaros

Maybe he did. I'll have to: Do My Research.
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Duque de Bragança


Syt

I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein's brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.
—Stephen Jay Gould

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Quote from: viper37 on January 20, 2022, 03:06:38 PM
Quote from: Syt on January 20, 2022, 12:57:52 PM

when was that? 1615?
Treasuring new borns eliminates that.
And revering veterans.
And respecting police.

The new borns one is mystifying. I guess it's an abortion reference but what a weird way to put it.
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Darth Wagtaros

Quote from: crazy canuck on January 20, 2022, 02:43:31 PM
Did right wing evangelicals stop worshiping God?
Well, they monetized it to a large extent, so they did spiritually.
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grumbler

Quote from: Tyr on January 20, 2022, 03:11:49 PM
The new borns one is mystifying. I guess it's an abortion reference but what a weird way to put it.

It's a criticism of the Republican refusal to continue the child tax credit.  It can't be a criticism of the Republican veto of maternity and paternity leave, because that's never existed on a national level in the US.
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Quote from: crazy canuck on January 20, 2022, 02:43:31 PM
Did right wing evangelicals stop worshiping God?

They switched to a different god.  The Old testament dude.
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

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Does treasuring children involve putting them in a treasury box, and burying it deep underground so no one can cause them any harm?
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Syt

QuoteNot my words, but all true!

"Failing to enforce the law of the land is Treason.

LISTED BELOW are several of the arguments that have been used by misguided people to try and justify illegal immigration.

1) They are an economic necessity - Not true. The idea that a bunch of desperately poor, uneducated, unskilled, non-English speaking foreigners are an economic necessity is ludicrous. In fact, when you compare cost vs. benefit, it is obvious that they are not only NOT a necessity, they are not even an asset. Rather, they are a liability and a huge one at that.

2) They do work Americans won't do - Not true. They take jobs our kids use to do after school and on weekends. They do work Americans won't do for $10 an hour (especially if Americans can collect welfare and unemployment instead). Of course, if you got rid of the illegal's, the jobs wouldn't pay $10 an hour. The people who wanted the work done would have to pay a wage that was attractive enough to get Americans to do the work. And it might even be enough to get Americans off the unemployment and welfare dole and back into the taxpaying workforce!

3) We benefit from all that "cheap" labor - This is nonsense. The only people who benefit from the cheap labor are the unscrupulous people who hire illegal immigrants. Taxpayers are left holding the bag. Ultimately, it is they who must pay to support all the Americans who have been put out of work by illegal's and must also provide billions of dollars in services and benefits to the illegal's themselves.

4) They are just trying to make better lives - Aren't we all? The difference is that most of us understand that we DO NOT have a right to acquire by illegal means those things that we find difficult to acquire by legal means. And we certainly don't have the right to do it in a foreign country.

5) It is impossible to round up and deport the illegal's - We don't have to. All we have to do is remove the incentives that brought them here in the first place. No jobs. No housing. No taxpayer financed services or benefits (including education). Once we remove the incentives that brought them here, they will leave on their own.

6) Immigration control is racist / xenophobic - This is just another play of the race card by people who have no other cards to play. Immigration control is the world-wide status quo. There is nothing racist about it. Furthermore, the USA welcomes LEGAL immigrants of all races and ethnicities from all over the world who have gone through the legal immigration process. This is not just a bad argument; it is an attempt to create racial hatred and division.

7) We are a nation of immigrants - This is the "BIG LIE". The vast majority of Americans are native-born. I am not an immigrant. Nor were my parents. Nor were my grandparents. We are a nation that has, historically, allowed and even encouraged LEGAL immigration. And we continue to do so. The issue at hand is illegal immigration, which has nothing to do with legal immigration.

8)They are people. We must treat them humanely - Yes & yes. But let us not pretend like they are victims who were dragged here kicking and screaming against their will. Nothing could be further from the truth. They came of their own free will and for their own benefit and they broke the law to do it. PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BE REWARDED FOR BREAKING LAWS AND COMMITTING CRIMES. SENDING THEM HOME IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. There is nothing "draconian" or "mean-spirited" about it.

9) It is wrong to break up families- Yes. Unfortunately, families are often broken up by criminal activity. If you don't believe it, just drop by any prison or jail on visiting day. We can't keep families together if some family members choose to participate in criminal activity.

10) They work & contribute to our society - So do I. And if I break the law and commit crimes, I can expect to pay a penalty of some kind. Anything from a small fine to the death penalty. I do not receive a reward. WHY SHOULD WE TREAT FOREIGN CRIMINALS BETTER THAN OUR OWN CITIZENS?

Any support for any illegal's is no less then treason, they are invaders,
Someone told me Treason only applies in war. This is not true. It is when one breaks the oath of office and aids in the breaking of the law of the land and helps people of other countries to do harm to us. "

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I'm amused my German-born sister shared a rant saying "I am not an immigrant. Nor were my parents. Nor were my grandparents." :lol:
I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein's brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.
—Stephen Jay Gould

Proud owner of 42 Zoupa Points.