NFL Playoffs?, Playoffs?!?!(that's not a catch, that's a catch)

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Quote from: katmai on December 30, 2015, 12:03:08 AM
Shocked you are a Kelly apologist :yeahright:

Fine, despite everything I have actually said I'm a Chip Kelly apologist.  What is incorrect about what I said about those personnel moves?

sbr

Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 30, 2015, 12:25:47 AM
Quote from: sbr on December 29, 2015, 11:04:08 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on December 29, 2015, 10:39:10 PM
Quote from: sbr on December 29, 2015, 08:37:56 PM
Oh and Chip Kelly got fired, the timing of which I find really weird.  I guess the players really hated him.

The personnel decisions the eagles made the past few years were interesting to say the least.

They have been interesting, but there is only one I would argue with.

Desean Jackson, while very talented and extremely fast is an absolute knucklehead and I would not want him on my team for the money it would take to get him on my team (currently $8 million a year)

Evan Mathis, despite being considered and graded as one of the best offensive guards in the league had trouble finding a new team and  ended up taking a 1 year $3 million contract with the Broncos to sit on the bench.  Last night in an almost must-win game he was on the field for 6 plays....

LeShon McCoy, while better than DeMarco Murray had a cap number of almost $12 million this year.  DeMarco Murray's contract never has a cap number over $9 million a year.  They also got a younger Defensive Rookie of the Year player in return.  They traded a 27 year old RB with a bad contract for a 27 year old RB with a much better contract and a good young defensive player.  Should the Eagles have realized that Murray wasn't a good fit?  Probably, but that is not the first or last time that a team signed a "good" player who didn't fit the new system and turned into a not very good player.

I have an intense, almost inappropriate, man-crush on Jeremy Maclin and have no idea why they would have let him go anywhere.

75% will get you work a lot of places. :p

The Nick Foles trade to the St. Louis Rams in exchange for Sam Bradford?  :huh:

Oh gee I forgot about the trade of one mediocre quarterback for another mediocre quarterback.  Ooops.

MadBurgerMaker

Bradford is a free agent after this season too, isn't he?

katmai

Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son

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Sbr-

The Murray contract has more guaranteed money and  less team friendly that McCoy's.
Alonso hasn't been anything near his Rookie season, and Kelly's draft picks have been underwhelming,
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sbr

Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on December 30, 2015, 08:38:04 PM
Bradford is a free agent after this season too, isn't he?

I'm not sure where you are going with this (if anywhere).  Is this good or bad for either side?

Both were due to be free agents after this year, then the Rams signed Foles to an extension, while the Eagles tried but were unable to sign Bradford.

MadBurgerMaker

Quote from: sbr on December 30, 2015, 09:31:17 PM
I'm not sure where you are going with this (if anywhere).  Is this good or bad for either side?

Both were due to be free agents after this year, then the Rams signed Foles to an extension, while the Eagles tried but were unable to sign Bradford.

It means it doesn't really matter either way.  It's basically a tryout.

sbr

Quote from: katmai on December 30, 2015, 08:43:23 PM
Sbr-

The Murray contract has more guaranteed money and  less team friendly that McCoy's.

I have read that McCoy's contract was a reason for the trade and that his cap number for this year was higher than any number in any year for Murray.  You could be right, maybe McCoy had one bad contract year and the rest were better than Murray's cotnract.

Despite what you think I don't care enough to argue or research this point any more.   :P

QuoteAlonso hasn't been anything near his Rookie season, and Kelly's draft picks have been underwhelming,

Alonso has played in only 10 games since his rookie year due to knee injuries but yes it appears he had a disappointing season.  That said, at the time of the trade I didn't think it was a terrible trade.  It hasn't worked out for the Eagles, but shit happens.

And I wasn't talking about draft choices (don't even know who they drafted) but about the trades and releases that everyone jumped up and down about when they happened.

sbr

Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on December 30, 2015, 09:33:06 PM
Quote from: sbr on December 30, 2015, 09:31:17 PM
I'm not sure where you are going with this (if anywhere).  Is this good or bad for either side?

Both were due to be free agents after this year, then the Rams signed Foles to an extension, while the Eagles tried but were unable to sign Bradford.

It means it doesn't really matter either way.  It's basically a tryout.

Ah yes.

So just to reset my thoughts on Kelly, that I know i have posted here multiple times since he was hired, I never thought he was going to be a big success in the NFL.  But since all I had ever seen of him was being wildly successful and the smartest man in the room I wouldn't have bet against him.

It turns out that like a lot of college offensive gurus his system didn't work in the NFL with better coaching and better athletes, though I think some of the concepts he believes in will continue to trickle into the pro game (like faster but not as fast pace). 

He is also a bit of an asshole with a huge ego, and those things are fine when you are bullying 18-20 year old kids around for a couple of year but won't fly when you are dealing with adult millionaires who have more power than NCAA "student" athletes.

The word is is he doesn't want to go back to the college game, hates a lot of what you need to do down there:  glad-handing boosters, recruiting, etc.  It will be interesting to see if he gets another immediate shot as an NFL head coach, and if not what he does.  I can't imagine him taking an OC job somewhere in the NFL.

MadBurgerMaker


sbr

That's the obvious hot rumor and it would definitely be interesting.

jimmy olsen

Quote from: sbr on December 30, 2015, 08:26:33 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 30, 2015, 12:25:47 AM
Quote from: sbr on December 29, 2015, 11:04:08 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on December 29, 2015, 10:39:10 PM
Quote from: sbr on December 29, 2015, 08:37:56 PM
Oh and Chip Kelly got fired, the timing of which I find really weird.  I guess the players really hated him.

The personnel decisions the eagles made the past few years were interesting to say the least.

They have been interesting, but there is only one I would argue with.

Desean Jackson, while very talented and extremely fast is an absolute knucklehead and I would not want him on my team for the money it would take to get him on my team (currently $8 million a year)

Evan Mathis, despite being considered and graded as one of the best offensive guards in the league had trouble finding a new team and  ended up taking a 1 year $3 million contract with the Broncos to sit on the bench.  Last night in an almost must-win game he was on the field for 6 plays....

LeShon McCoy, while better than DeMarco Murray had a cap number of almost $12 million this year.  DeMarco Murray's contract never has a cap number over $9 million a year.  They also got a younger Defensive Rookie of the Year player in return.  They traded a 27 year old RB with a bad contract for a 27 year old RB with a much better contract and a good young defensive player.  Should the Eagles have realized that Murray wasn't a good fit?  Probably, but that is not the first or last time that a team signed a "good" player who didn't fit the new system and turned into a not very good player.

I have an intense, almost inappropriate, man-crush on Jeremy Maclin and have no idea why they would have let him go anywhere.

75% will get you work a lot of places. :p

The Nick Foles trade to the St. Louis Rams in exchange for Sam Bradford?  :huh:

Oh gee I forgot about the trade of one mediocre quarterback for another mediocre quarterback.  Ooops.

He had 27 touchdowns and 2 interceptions in 2013 with a completion rate of 64% and a rating of 119.2

Got injured the next year, but if you're worried about injuries, Sam Bradford is not the player you trade for to address those issues.
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sbr

Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 31, 2015, 12:05:08 AM
Quote from: sbr on December 30, 2015, 08:26:33 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 30, 2015, 12:25:47 AM
Quote from: sbr on December 29, 2015, 11:04:08 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on December 29, 2015, 10:39:10 PM
Quote from: sbr on December 29, 2015, 08:37:56 PM
Oh and Chip Kelly got fired, the timing of which I find really weird.  I guess the players really hated him.

The personnel decisions the eagles made the past few years were interesting to say the least.

They have been interesting, but there is only one I would argue with.

Desean Jackson, while very talented and extremely fast is an absolute knucklehead and I would not want him on my team for the money it would take to get him on my team (currently $8 million a year)

Evan Mathis, despite being considered and graded as one of the best offensive guards in the league had trouble finding a new team and  ended up taking a 1 year $3 million contract with the Broncos to sit on the bench.  Last night in an almost must-win game he was on the field for 6 plays....

LeShon McCoy, while better than DeMarco Murray had a cap number of almost $12 million this year.  DeMarco Murray's contract never has a cap number over $9 million a year.  They also got a younger Defensive Rookie of the Year player in return.  They traded a 27 year old RB with a bad contract for a 27 year old RB with a much better contract and a good young defensive player.  Should the Eagles have realized that Murray wasn't a good fit?  Probably, but that is not the first or last time that a team signed a "good" player who didn't fit the new system and turned into a not very good player.

I have an intense, almost inappropriate, man-crush on Jeremy Maclin and have no idea why they would have let him go anywhere.

75% will get you work a lot of places. :p

The Nick Foles trade to the St. Louis Rams in exchange for Sam Bradford?  :huh:

Oh gee I forgot about the trade of one mediocre quarterback for another mediocre quarterback.  Ooops.

He had 27 touchdowns and 2 interceptions in 2013 with a completion rate of 64% and a rating of 119.2

Got injured the next year, but if you're worried about injuries, Sam Bradford is not the player you trade for to address those issues.

And when he played he played the next year he played poorly.  Then played even more poorly with the Rams.

Foles had a spectacular 13 game stretch before the league figured him and Kelly's offense out.  Now teams have a book on both and neither one is very effective any more.

Shall we really discuss all of the mediocre QBs who have had nice 13 game runs only to fall back down to earth?

I will bet you $20 Nick Foles doesn't start 20 more games in the NFL.

Valmy

The NFL though man. Kelly won 10 games two years in a row including a division title and was playing for another division title right at the end of the season...yes it is the NFC East but still. And now fired. Ah well. I bet all those colleges with coaching vacancies feel silly filling them so quickly now.
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sbr

This is the first game since Kelly took over that the eagles are out of playoff contention.

Sounds like the biggest reason he was fired was not football related though.