Harrison Ford Critically Injured in Plane Crash

[grumbler]

ER beds are ER beds.  Note my parenthetical, smokers actually aren't a strain on the medical system: they die earlier and cheaper than healthier non-smokers who have countless interventions for things in their 80s, etc.  And drug users requiring ER care are a very small number of people, who've usually OD'd and can be resuscitated with a single injection or have abscesses that are easily lanced.  Unlike complex orthopedic problems from skiing accidents or private plane crashes.

I find it incredibly interesting that I am applying to medical systems that are no longer hiring smokers, are conducting pre-employment screening for nicotine and smoking-cessation aids,  and are conducting random testing for nicotine products as a condition of employment--particularly since in all my travels I've never once seen an accident victim peeled out of a windshield and zipped into a body bag from smoking, never locked up or bailed out anybody for beating the shit out of the family due to smoking, or tripped over a doctor passed out in a hospital stairwell from being drunk on cigarettes.

You can't have that celebratory cigar at your best friend's wedding over the weekend and keep your job if you're tested--but you can suck down a fifth of Jack Daniels like it's nobody's fucking business, beat the shit out of your kid and keep your job.

The hypocrisy is positively staggering.

Smoking is bad.

Exactly.  Smoking is a moral failing, whereas drinking is just a life decision.  Or something.

[mongers]

What's the plane a P-23 ?


No idea if that's it, the number just rings a bell.

Looks like some sort of trainer or maybe just a barnstormer with interwar livery.

edit: it's a Ryan PT-22 Recruit
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_PT-22_Recruit

Well identified, I had a bit of a wander on wiki but couldn't find it, for some reason ended up reading about Italian WW2 fighters. 


At least I got that there was a P and a 2 in it's name. 

[Caliga]

Well identified, I had a bit of a wander on wiki but couldn't find it, for some reason ended up reading about Italian WW2 fighters. 

They are only capable of flying in reverse.

[Grinning_Colossus]

Smoking is bad.

Drinking is worse.

Isn't smoking more carcinogenic? Granted, drinking might be a worse 'social ill'... but then it's also a much more interesting experience than smoking.

[Valmy]

Smoking is bad.

Drinking is worse.

We already caused a massive social disaster trying to get rid of drinking.  What more do you want us to do to prove we are not hypocrites?

[Eddie Teach]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flXCWdhJnGY

[Martinus]

And that he survives this.

"The actor, who was conscious and breathing when rescue crews reached him, was stabilized and taken to a hospital, where he was in fair to moderate condition"

Sounds like he will.

Well, he is 72. At this age you can die from a routine surgery.

[Martinus]

Everyone's so down on drug addicts and smokers (who actually use less healthcare dollars than nonsmokers since) for wasting medical attention, but what about these private pilots and skiers and extreme sportsmen who are really just taking huge physical risks for kicks?  They don't seem to get the same reprimands.

I think they are. Especially those idiot mountain climbers.

[Martinus]

ER beds are ER beds.  Note my parenthetical, smokers actually aren't a strain on the medical system: they die earlier and cheaper than healthier non-smokers who have countless interventions for things in their 80s, etc.  And drug users requiring ER care are a very small number of people, who've usually OD'd and can be resuscitated with a single injection or have abscesses that are easily lanced.  Unlike complex orthopedic problems from skiing accidents or private plane crashes.

I find it incredibly interesting that I am applying to medical systems that are no longer hiring smokers, are conducting pre-employment screening for nicotine and smoking-cessation aids,  and are conducting random testing for nicotine products as a condition of employment--particularly since in all my travels I've never once seen an accident victim peeled out of a windshield and zipped into a body bag from smoking, never locked up or bailed out anybody for beating the shit out of the family due to smoking, or tripped over a doctor passed out in a hospital stairwell from being drunk on cigarettes.

You can't have that celebratory cigar at your best friend's wedding over the weekend and keep your job if you're tested--but you can suck down a fifth of Jack Daniels like it's nobody's fucking business, beat the shit out of your kid and keep your job.

The hypocrisy is positively staggering.

Wow. This is insane. I never even suspected anyone would be doing that. That would probably be illegal in most of Europe, too.

[Martinus]

Also, in Poland, if you excluded alcoholics and smokers, you would probably get almost no doctors. Especially surgeons.

[Martinus]

Smoking is bad.

Drinking is worse.

Isn't smoking more carcinogenic? Granted, drinking might be a worse 'social ill'... but then it's also a much more interesting experience than smoking.

Trans fats are also more carcinogenic. And smoking makes you look much more cool than eating a double whooper with large fries.

Besides, it's not like cancer is the only disease that is relevant. Smoking does not give you a liver failure.

[Martinus]

I have a feeling that the last 15-20 years were the free-est period in modern human history and it will be downhill from now. This is the time when we got greater acceptance for gays and self-sufficient women; anti-drug laws were relaxed; and we got the Internet. Now, the gay and women rights have reached the plateau, but the other freedoms are slowly chipped away. The employers are going to have a much greater appetite for surveillance (and it will have a much greater impact on our lives) than governments, which means that enjoying many legal activities such as smoking or drinking will soon make you a pariah. Internet is not going to stay free (at least not the way it was) for long, with anonymity being gone and again employers wanting to get access to more and more information about you (already, I found from The Elegant Sophist, public employees in Arkansas are required to submit their social media accounts - even if private and not referring to their employment position - to the employer and the private employees are soon to follow). And of course we will eventually get to the point where employers will want you to turn on the tracking devices in your phones and you won't be able to stop it (other than by moving to the wilderness and living like a hermit).

[jimmy olsen]

I found from The Elegant Sophist, public employees in Arkansas are required to submit their social media accounts - even if private and not referring to their employment position - to the employer and the private employees are soon to follow).

The Supreme Court will smack that down when it goes before them.

[Martinus]

I found from The Elegant Sophist, public employees in Arkansas are required to submit their social media accounts - even if private and not referring to their employment position - to the employer and the private employees are soon to follow).

The Supreme Court will smack that down when it goes before them.

That's good to hear. Still, I think we have had our freedom and now it will slowly go away. At least when it comes to the Internet.

[Tamas]

You smoking social justice warriors forget one tiny detail. If you OD on French fries or alcohol you are only hurting yourself (well, apart from being an aggressive dick while drunk of course) but smoking affects the people around you.