Bosnian imam attacked 7 times over call to stay out of Syria

[mongers]

The UK fought a world war for the cause of Greater Serbia.

The UK's war cause is still rusting at the bottom of Scapa Flow.

There's only a half-dozen left, the large majority were salvaged years ago. 

IIRC some importance has been attached to it being one of the few sources of good quality steel plate, unaffected by radioactive contamination from atmospheric nuclear testing.

[CountDeMoney]

Sure, rationalize it away.

[Valmy]

Sure, rationalize it away.

Rationalize saving the world from slavery?

[CountDeMoney]

Ooh, there's a sale at Penney's!

[Razgovory]

Well, I suppose this means that Viking is now rereading Sam Harris and trying to figure out why his slam dunk argument didn't work.  Maybe if he can find the right article on RationalWiki that quotes documents he has no familiarity with and he'll eventually win us over.

[Sheilbh]

That said, most Bosniaks - in fact all the Bosniaks I know - despise the extremists. The beardies walking around in robes are un-Bosnian in their view, and they fear the wahhabist mosques popping up around the countryside.

Yep. And there's lively competition between Turkish and Saudi 'versions' of Islam in Bosnia. On the other hand my understanding is that since the war there's been a rise of Muslim, Bosniak identity (and also Bosnian Serb and Croat identity). So while people in their late 30s often have names that are sort-of universal people born since the war are far more likely to have clearly Muslim, or clearly Serb names.

Having said all that though I wasn't in the countryside much (a few hours on a day trip) Bosnia is, in my experience, an incredibly liberal Muslim country. My friends out there say they've never been as drunk as when they attended a Bosniak colleagues wedding

[Viking]

Well, I suppose this means that Viking is now rereading Sam Harris and trying to figure out why his slam dunk argument didn't work.  Maybe if he can find the right article on RationalWiki that quotes documents he has no familiarity with and he'll eventually win us over.

oohh.. they even have a wiki page on it now

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beheading_in_Islamism

so far all I hear in return are ad-homs, red herrings and pathetic semantic arguments (of the kind it doesn't say behead, it say execute with sword bla bla bla)

[garbon]

so far all I hear in return are ad-homs, red herrings and pathetic semantic arguments (of the kind it doesn't say behead, it say execute with sword bla bla bla)

I also like who you have lately posted the wiki article that still doesn't really support what you want it to.

[Razgovory]

One of the more amusing things here is that Viking's attacks on Islam keeps getting beaten back by two Jews.

[Viking]

so far all I hear in return are ad-homs, red herrings and pathetic semantic arguments (of the kind it doesn't say behead, it say execute with sword bla bla bla)

I also like who you have lately posted the wiki article that still doesn't really support what you want it to.

If you missed the theological justification for beheading you in the article about islamist beheadings then you truly are wilfully stupid.

[Viking]

One of the more amusing things here is that Viking's attacks on Islam keeps getting beaten back by two Jews.

no, Malthus is trying to disprove that the catholics secretly edited the 10 commandments to remove the prohibition on graven images, I made no such claim, I claimed that catholicism had no prohibition on graven images, shrimp, mixed fabrics and ignores most of the other laws of Judaism. He is fighting against the strawman of paranoid protestant fundamentalists, which I am definitively not one of.

Joan is trying to argue that beheading isn't not not part of islam, while I may have not been as clear as I could have hoped the first time round, he seemed to argue that it was execution not beheading somehow disproved my central point that murdering people in the name of the religion is something the so called prophet did.

raz and garbon are just trolls and jacob and cc are hardly doing more than acting as the chorus of idiots.

[Jacob]

One of the more amusing things here is that Viking's attacks on Islam keeps getting beaten back by two Jews.

no, Malthus is trying to disprove that the catholics secretly edited the 10 commandments to remove the prohibition on graven images, I made no such claim, I claimed that catholicism had no prohibition on graven images, shrimp, mixed fabrics and ignores most of the other laws of Judaism. He is fighting against the strawman of paranoid protestant fundamentalists, which I am definitively not one of.

Joan is trying to argue that beheading isn't not not part of islam, while I may have not been as clear as I could have hoped the first time round, he seemed to argue that it was execution not beheading somehow disproved my central point that murdering people in the name of the religion is something the so called prophet did.

raz and garbon are just trolls and jacob and cc are hardly doing more than acting as the chorus of idiots.

... and yet our valiant anti-hero fights on!

[Razgovory]

Well, I suppose this means that Viking is now rereading Sam Harris and trying to figure out why his slam dunk argument didn't work.  Maybe if he can find the right article on RationalWiki that quotes documents he has no familiarity with and he'll eventually win us over.

oohh.. they even have a wiki page on it now

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beheading_in_Islamism

so far all I hear in return are ad-homs, red herrings and pathetic semantic arguments (of the kind it doesn't say behead, it say execute with sword bla bla bla)

You know, I was thinking about this while eating pancakes, (some my best ideas come to me while eating pancakes), and it occurred to me that if Beheading was so central to Islam, you'd think they get along better in France a country where beheading is celebrated and made into a science.

[Razgovory]

One of the more amusing things here is that Viking's attacks on Islam keeps getting beaten back by two Jews.

no, Malthus is trying to disprove that the catholics secretly edited the 10 commandments to remove the prohibition on graven images, I made no such claim, I claimed that catholicism had no prohibition on graven images, shrimp, mixed fabrics and ignores most of the other laws of Judaism. He is fighting against the strawman of paranoid protestant fundamentalists, which I am definitively not one of.

Joan is trying to argue that beheading isn't not not part of islam, while I may have not been as clear as I could have hoped the first time round, he seemed to argue that it was execution not beheading somehow disproved my central point that murdering people in the name of the religion is something the so called prophet did.

raz and garbon are just trolls and jacob and cc are hardly doing more than acting as the chorus of idiots.

Well, I was curious how you saw this whole thing.  Thank you for being honest.  It is clear though, that there is no common ground here between you and your critics and struggle to even respect them.  I really think that you can't comprehend that other people can actually disagree with you.   My advice, stop listening to the Bill Maher podcasts.

[dps]

Speaking as a paranoid fundamentalist Protestant, I have to say that I've never claimed that the Catholic church has abolished (or never had) the prohibition against graven images. 

Still waiting to find out which 9 commandment I believe in.