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Oliver Stone: CIA orchestrated coup in Ukraine

Started by Syt, January 01, 2015, 03:26:55 AM

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KRonn

Quote from: Ancient Demon on January 01, 2015, 06:08:57 PM
Sadly the viewpoint of Oliver Stone over the conflict in the Ukraine is probably the majority one globally.

Heh, yeah, there may be some truth in that.

DontSayBanana

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You know, it's not fair.  Everything's an American plot to discredit the Great Bear.  Never mind that UAE is actually bankrupting their country just to say "FU" to Putin, it's all an American conspiracy. <_<

Frankly, Americans aren't good enough at cooperation to pull off the kind of conspiracies commonly attributed to us.  Last time we pulled off a halfway decent coup was Iran, and look at how well that turned out for us.
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Neil

Quote from: grumbler on January 01, 2015, 06:47:20 PM
I'm not sure why this is even thread-worthy.  Stone thinks everything is a CIA plot.  If we have to start a thread every time he reveals another conspiracy, we'll have nothing but worthless Stone conspiracy threads.

One megathread on Stone would do the trick.  I generally don't read megathreads.
And according to his film 'Nixon', the CIA is run by Satan.
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Quote from: 11B4V on January 01, 2015, 09:33:27 PM

You're not allowed those types of objects.

I am allowed all sorts of objects.  Laws that could potentially deprive me of deadly weapons have been stalled in state and federal legistlatures.  I'd like you thank you for that, and your current support of organizations that keeps it that way.
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11B4V

Quote from: Razgovory on January 02, 2015, 01:21:03 AM
Quote from: 11B4V on January 01, 2015, 09:33:27 PM

You're not allowed those types of objects.

I am allowed all sorts of objects.  Laws that could potentially deprive me of deadly weapons have been stalled in state and federal legistlatures.  I'd like you thank you for that, and your current support of organizations that keeps it that way.

We are all about equal opportunity.
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Capetan Mihali

Quote from: The Brain on January 02, 2015, 02:31:34 AM
Rakes are humans too.

True, but I'm not convinced it's sound public policy to grant Raz the unfettered license to physically handle cads, roués, heels, reprobates, or miscreants either. :hmm:
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Martinus

Quote from: Capetan Mihali on January 02, 2015, 05:45:08 AM
Quote from: The Brain on January 02, 2015, 02:31:34 AM
Rakes are humans too.

True, but I'm not convinced it's sound public policy to grant Raz the unfettered license to physically handle cads, roués, heels, reprobates, or miscreants either. :hmm:

What of canailles and mignons?

grumbler

Quote from: Capetan Mihali on January 02, 2015, 05:45:08 AM
Quote from: The Brain on January 02, 2015, 02:31:34 AM
Rakes are humans too.

True, but I'm not convinced it's sound public policy to grant Raz the unfettered license to physically handle cads, roués, heels, reprobates, or miscreants either. :hmm:

If they don't want to be manhandled, they should stay out of his basement.
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CountDeMoney

Quote from: Capetan Mihali on January 02, 2015, 05:45:08 AM
True, but I'm not convinced it's sound public policy to grant Raz the unfettered license to physically handle cads, roués, heels, reprobates, or miscreants either. :hmm:

And ne'er-do-wells.  Don't forget the ne'er-do-wells.  And rapscallions.

Barrister

Out of some limited sense of fairness to Stone, I think it was clear that the US, whether through the CIA, State Department, or other agencies, were giving aid and advice to the Euromaidan protestors that ultimately toppled Yanukovych.  And if they didn't, well, I'd want to know why the hell not.  I think it's precisely what the US and other western democracies should be doing - using soft power to help promote democracy around the world.

That sure doesn't sound like a coup, though, and definitely doesn't amount to proof that the US was behind snipers shooting at protesters...
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