Supreme Court: Section 4 of Voting Rights Act Unconstitutional

[Eddie Teach]

This cost argument makes you all sound like the conservatives wanting to defund PBS.

[Razgovory]

I had to pay 20 bucks to get my driver's license renewed.

What does that have to do with a free vote ID?

Unless the DMV is trying to make a profit, "Free" voter ID costs more then 5 dollars.

[Eddie Teach]

The DMV has a lot more expenses than just checking documents and making the card.

[Razgovory]

The DMV is the one going to be issuing a free voter ID card in most cases.

[Jacob]

Seriously Jake, this is the kind of line that would have the MSNBC/Bill Maher crowd roaring with laughter and high-fiving each other over the ridiculous inconsistency of those pinhead Republicans, but five bucks for each person who doesn't have a photo ID and wants one is chump change.

Yeah... you're right.

Like I said, if voter ID laws see no significant change in voter participation then I'll cop to being wrong on this. On the other hand, if there is appreciable lower turnout then the pious noises about it being "easy" and "cheap" to make sure people have the required ID will seem like they were just cover to not feel bad about voter suppression.

We'll see, in due time. The proof of the pudding is in the eating, and the proof of the voter ID scheme is in the participation rates.

[Razgovory]

You know, I really hate Bill Mahrer.

[DGuller]

Seriously Jake, this is the kind of line that would have the MSNBC/Bill Maher crowd roaring with laughter and high-fiving each other over the ridiculous inconsistency of those pinhead Republicans, but five bucks for each person who doesn't have a photo ID and wants one is chump change.

Yeah... you're right.

Like I said, if voter ID laws see no significant change in voter participation then I'll cop to being wrong on this. On the other hand, if there is appreciable lower turnout then the pious noises about it being "easy" and "cheap" to make sure people have the required ID will seem like they were just cover to not feel bad about voter suppression.

We'll see, in due time. The proof of the pudding is in the eating, and the proof of the voter ID scheme is in the participation rates.

I think you're being overly generous.  I can well see the attempt to suppress votes not succeeding, or even backfiring due to backlash.  Black voters may become so infuriated that they would vote when they didn't before, and get-out-to-vote systems can be put to work to ensure that everyone remembers to get an ID and have it on hand with them.  That doesn't get attempted vote suppressors off the hook.

I think we can make the verdict now, based on the fact pf how transparently weak and pathetic the advocates of these laws sound as they try to convince themselves and others that this is a legitimate action, and not what it really is.

[garbon]

Seriously Jake, this is the kind of line that would have the MSNBC/Bill Maher crowd roaring with laughter and high-fiving each other over the ridiculous inconsistency of those pinhead Republicans, but five bucks for each person who doesn't have a photo ID and wants one is chump change.

Yeah... you're right.

Like I said, if voter ID laws see no significant change in voter participation then I'll cop to being wrong on this. On the other hand, if there is appreciable lower turnout then the pious noises about it being "easy" and "cheap" to make sure people have the required ID will seem like they were just cover to not feel bad about voter suppression.

We'll see, in due time. The proof of the pudding is in the eating, and the proof of the voter ID scheme is in the participation rates.

I think you're being overly generous.  I can well see the attempt to suppress votes not succeeding, or even backfiring due to backlash.  Black voters may become so infuriated that they would vote when they didn't before, and get-out-to-vote systems can be put to work to ensure that everyone remembers to get an ID and have it on hand with them.  That doesn't get attempted vote suppressors off the hook.

I think we can make the verdict now, based on the fact pf how transparently weak and pathetic the advocates of these laws sound as they try to convince themselves and others that this is a legitimate action, and not what it really is.

It's rare but I think I have to fully agree with DGul.

[Jacob]

I think you're being overly generous.

Quite possibly. I'm 35 minutes away from a long weekend, so I'm in a good mood

[garbon]

I think you're being overly generous.

Quite possibly. I'm 35 minutes away from a long weekend, so I'm in a good mood

Lame on Canada. Couldn't even get their own fucking month and had to mooch on Amercia's.

[Berkut]

Seriously Jake, this is the kind of line that would have the MSNBC/Bill Maher crowd roaring with laughter and high-fiving each other over the ridiculous inconsistency of those pinhead Republicans, but five bucks for each person who doesn't have a photo ID and wants one is chump change.

Yeah... you're right.

Like I said, if voter ID laws see no significant change in voter participation then I'll cop to being wrong on this. On the other hand, if there is appreciable lower turnout then the pious noises about it being "easy" and "cheap" to make sure people have the required ID will seem like they were just cover to not feel bad about voter suppression.

We'll see, in due time. The proof of the pudding is in the eating, and the proof of the voter ID scheme is in the participation rates.

I think you're being overly generous.  I can well see the attempt to suppress votes not succeeding, or even backfiring due to backlash.  Black voters may become so infuriated that they would vote when they didn't before, and get-out-to-vote systems can be put to work to ensure that everyone remembers to get an ID and have it on hand with them.  That doesn't get attempted vote suppressors off the hook.

I think we can make the verdict now, based on the fact pf how transparently weak and pathetic the advocates of these laws sound as they try to convince themselves and others that this is a legitimate action, and not what it really is.

Indeed. Failing at suppressing minority voting doesn't make the attempt ok.

[Jacob]

Lame on Canada. Couldn't even get their own fucking month and had to mooch on Amercia's.

No reason not to copy a good thing; and a long weekend in July is good. Of course, so are long weekends in most of the other months we have stat holidays (10 in BC).

[Jacob]

Indeed. Failing at suppressing minority voting doesn't make the attempt ok.

[DontSayBanana]

That poorly-worded poll test made me think of the Color Study that DEVO put up a couple of years ago.  I'd link it, but it seems to have fallen off the Internet.