The future George Zimmerman Acquittal Trial Megathread!

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derspiess

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on July 29, 2013, 01:15:08 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 26, 2013, 05:53:22 PM
Latina juror is making the rounds of the talk shows saying she thought Zimmerman was guilty of killing Martin but couldn't vote to convict because of the law, or somesuch.

That is interesting: a juror who actually managed to come away with some basic grasp of the standard of proof in a criminal case.   ;)

Weird that she feels the need to apologize, though.
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How much is she getting paid for these appearances I wonder.
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derspiess

"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

fhdz

Quote from: derspiess on July 29, 2013, 02:06:05 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on July 29, 2013, 01:15:08 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 26, 2013, 05:53:22 PM
Latina juror is making the rounds of the talk shows saying she thought Zimmerman was guilty of killing Martin but couldn't vote to convict because of the law, or somesuch.

That is interesting: a juror who actually managed to come away with some basic grasp of the standard of proof in a criminal case.   ;)

Weird that she feels the need to apologize, though.

Not really very weird at all. It's her coming to terms with the difference between legal guilt and obvious moral guilt.
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garbon

Quote from: fhdz on July 30, 2013, 12:34:12 PM
Quote from: derspiess on July 29, 2013, 02:06:05 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on July 29, 2013, 01:15:08 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 26, 2013, 05:53:22 PM
Latina juror is making the rounds of the talk shows saying she thought Zimmerman was guilty of killing Martin but couldn't vote to convict because of the law, or somesuch.

That is interesting: a juror who actually managed to come away with some basic grasp of the standard of proof in a criminal case.   ;)

Weird that she feels the need to apologize, though.

Not really very weird at all. It's her coming to terms with the difference between legal guilt and obvious moral guilt.

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DGuller

It does sound a little weird to me.  There is a difference between apologizing and expressing regret.  IMO, you should apologize only for things you would've done differently.  "I'm sorry I shot you" is an apology.  "I'm sorry I had to shoot you" is not an apology.

garbon

Quote from: DGuller on July 30, 2013, 12:37:28 PM
It does sound a little weird to me.  There is a difference between apologizing and expressing regret.  IMO, you should apologize only for things you would've done differently.  "I'm sorry I shot you" is an apology.  "I'm sorry I had to shoot you" is not an apology.

That sounds like an arbitrary distinction.
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Siege

Why is it important that she is latina?
Aren't we a color blind society?
At least we were headed that way until Obama came along.


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fhdz

Quote from: DGuller on July 30, 2013, 12:37:28 PM
It does sound a little weird to me.  There is a difference between apologizing and expressing regret.  IMO, you should apologize only for things you would've done differently.  "I'm sorry I shot you" is an apology.  "I'm sorry I had to shoot you" is not an apology.

In both cases one is saying one would have done it differently given different circumstances.
and the horse you rode in on

fhdz

and the horse you rode in on

DGuller

Quote from: fhdz on July 30, 2013, 04:12:40 PM
Quote from: DGuller on July 30, 2013, 12:37:28 PM
It does sound a little weird to me.  There is a difference between apologizing and expressing regret.  IMO, you should apologize only for things you would've done differently.  "I'm sorry I shot you" is an apology.  "I'm sorry I had to shoot you" is not an apology.

In both cases one is saying one would have done it differently given different circumstances.
I disagree.  In the first case, one would have done it differently even in the same circumstances.  One is basically admitting that if one were to go back in time, one would've acted differently.

fhdz

Quote from: DGuller on July 30, 2013, 04:19:28 PM
I disagree.  In the first case, one would have done it differently even in the same circumstances.

Nobody gives a shit, because both cases are sufficient grounds for an apology.
and the horse you rode in on

DGuller

Quote from: fhdz on July 30, 2013, 04:24:49 PM
Quote from: DGuller on July 30, 2013, 04:19:28 PM
I disagree.  In the first case, one would have done it differently even in the same circumstances.

Nobody gives a shit, because both cases are sufficient grounds for an apology.
You gave a shit, so I responded.  Don't retrospectively stop giving a shit.

garbon

Quote from: fhdz on July 30, 2013, 04:24:49 PM
Quote from: DGuller on July 30, 2013, 04:19:28 PM
I disagree.  In the first case, one would have done it differently even in the same circumstances.

Nobody gives a shit, because both cases are sufficient grounds for an apology.

That's why I said it felt arbitrary.  Regretting something doesn't negate an apology situation nor does an apology situation negate regrets.  I don't really see that the two are remarkedly different.
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.