The future George Zimmerman Acquittal Trial Megathread!

[CountDeMoney]

the NAACP and the deMoney faction of the world combined with effete liberals like yourself

  Personally, I like this new Otto-as-recent-law-grad model.  Much more tempered than the HansyVonBismarck of old.

[Berkut]

the NAACP and the deMoney faction of the world combined with effete liberals like yourself

  Personally, I like this new Otto-as-recent-law-grad model.  Much more tempered than the HansyVonBismarck of old.

I wish you would go back to being the much more tempered version of yourself.

You going to drop by WBC next week?

[CountDeMoney]

I wish you would go back to being the much more tempered version of yourself.

No.  None of you mutts want to listen, so I have to shout.  Besides, it's also involves a lot less typing.

You going to drop by WBC next week?

Yup.  Planning on driving up on Friday the 2rd.

[11B4V]

He said "He looks black" when asked, which btw MSNBC hilariously edited to make it sound like Zimmerman volunteered that info without being asked by the dispatcher.

DISTORT WE MUCH

Useless news network.

[Rasputin]

Legally speaking the problem with Minsky's point is there is no evidence as to how the confrontation even began at all.

A lot of convoluted issues keep going into this, but it should be noted the dispatcher told Zimmerman "we don't need you to do that." Very few people seem to know when he actually uttered those words, I'm guessing because this has become a cause celebre, the liberals are content to read about it from their usual sources and not question them. However in this case one can easily get the phone call transcript or even the audio online.

The order of events:

-Zimmerman sees Martin, at this point Zimmerman is in his car. He calls the non-emergency line of the police department. As he is on the phone he is driving down the street slowly, following the direction Martin is going. Note that Martin is described as walking "behind the townhouses" so he's not actually on the sidewalk or street where Zimmerman is driving.
-During the phone call, suddenly Zimmerman exclaims "he's running" and you hear a car door open and some jumbling sounds that sound like a guy running.
-The dispatcher asks several questions, like "He's running?" "What direction is he going on?" "What entrance is that near?" After asking several questions (during this whole time Zimmerman is running) the dispatcher says, "are you following him?" At this point, assuming Zimmerman is even moderately capable of running at normal human speeds he's a good distance away from his vehicle and has been for a time. When Zimmerman answers "yeah" to the dispatchers question the dispatcher then says "we don't need you to do that."

I find it funny people are so convinced Zimmerman had done all this stuff long after being told not to do so, when in fact he had already done most of his "following" prior to being told that.

Now from there, Zimmerman arranges with the dispatcher a place to meet the police officers who are on his way. After that we're now basing the narrative on Zimmerman's story. Is that the true narrative? No one knows, but there is no alternative narrative in evidence, and there was not one in evidence at trial. Because no other witnesses know what happen in between that point and the shooting. The closest is the black girl, but unfortunately her testimony was vague, and left one without any real idea what the words she says she heard Trayvon say actually mean.

But anyway, as Zimmerman's narrative continues, he had ran to the last spot he had seen Martin, and lost him (actually he mentions he's lost him to the dispatcher.) And now that he has arranged with the dispatcher a place to meet the en route police, Zimmerman is returning to his vehicle. His story is that as he's walking back to his vehicle (and thus no longer engaged with Martin), Martin "jumps out" at him, and asks Zimmerman "what's your problem?" Zimmerman says he responds that he doesn't have a problem, and he is immediately punched, beaten on the ground, and then Martin sees his gun. Martin goes for the gun, they struggle for it, and Zimmerman gets control of the gun and shoots and kills Martin.

Now that's just Zimmerman's story, I'm not presenting that as what happened. But interestingly at trial how many different accounts are there of what happened after Zimmerman hung up the phone with dispatch? Exactly zero. Because no witnesses can testify to those events and while not a lawyer, I don't think the prosecutor can ask a jury to build inference upon inference such that they create a narrative out of thin air. For all we know Zimmerman stalked the neighborhood and cornered Martin, and because he's a gay rapist pulled his gun out and ordered Martin to suck his dick, when Martin refused Zimmerman shot him then beat his face in with Martin's fists and slammed his own head int he concrete. Or maybe a T-1000 Terminator showed up and killed Zimmerman, destroyed his body, and assumed his form--and then killed Trayvon for no reason. Since he can remold his appearance he faked the injuries. He went through with the trial for fun, and is obviously just waiting to cause trouble.

very well put; thats what is so frustrating about this case...the jury had no choice based upon the evidence and a judge would likely have had to throw a guilty verdict out under our laws

that this has become a referndum on race astounds me

[Admiral Yi]

Latina juror is making the rounds of the talk shows saying she thought Zimmerman was guilty of killing Martin but couldn't vote to convict because of the law, or somesuch.

[OttoVonBismarck]

Latina juror is making the rounds of the talk shows saying she thought Zimmerman was guilty of killing Martin but couldn't vote to convict because of the law, or somesuch.

Yeah, basically saying she thinks he's a murderer but that the evidence didn't support a conviction. That actually makes me feel good about the jury system, which I'm typically marginally skeptical of, because she admitted to having pre-judged Zimmerman guilty but also said when they were explained what the law required in terms of conviction she agreed to vote to acquit because she believed it to be the appropriate choice as a matter of law.

[derspiess]

So since the Zimmerman acquittal, I've walked past about a dozen or so people downtown with NAACP or whatever petitions to get the DOJ to go after Zim.  What's odd is that only one asked me to sign.  I'm so hurt

[katmai]

Your Crazy ass Crackerness shines through.

[derspiess]

Your Crazy ass Crackerness shines through.

I knew someone would use that phrase in the first reply.  I just didn't expect it to be you

[katmai]

Your Crazy ass Crackerness shines through.

I knew someone would use that phrase in the first reply.  I just didn't expect it to be you

Someone has to pick up the slack from Seedy!

[derspiess]

But black people love me!  Black Irish, not so much.

[Siege]

So, was the car accident fake?

[Admiral Yi]

The driver rescued from the car had a suspiciously large forehead.

[The Minsky Moment]

Latina juror is making the rounds of the talk shows saying she thought Zimmerman was guilty of killing Martin but couldn't vote to convict because of the law, or somesuch.

That is interesting: a juror who actually managed to come away with some basic grasp of the standard of proof in a criminal case.