Brexit and the waning days of the United Kingdom

[Tamas]

Sadly it does seem like the only organised force not in cahoots with fascists in the UK is the pan-Muslims - far-left alliance.

[Sheilbh]

The people around Keir Starmer really don't like Diane Abbott:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/sep/15/senior-starmer-adviser-paul-ovenden-quits-over-offensive-diane-abbott-messages

Maybe for just one day they could leave Britain's first black female MP alone

[Razgovory]

Sadly it does seem like the only organised force not in cahoots with fascists in the UK is the pan-Muslims - far-left alliance.

Are they anti-Hamas?

[Crazy_Ivan80]

Sadly it does seem like the only organised force not in cahoots with fascists in the UK is the pan-Muslims - far-left alliance.

Are they anti-Hamas?

is Putin a democrat?

[Richard Hakluyt]

The people around Keir Starmer really don't like Diane Abbott:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/sep/15/senior-starmer-adviser-paul-ovenden-quits-over-offensive-diane-abbott-messages

Maybe for just one day they could leave Britain's first black female MP alone

What always amazes me is that people who want to work in the heart of Westminster post such nauseating rubbish on social media. One of our "best brains" it would appear, or, in old money, a bloody fool.

[Sheilbh]

I've had some exposure to Labour HQ people. There's a huge factional element in that Labour HQ is broadly on the right of the party - which in this case intersected with racism and misogyny. But my experience is that there's a weird "laddishness" to them which I think is quite nasty if you're on the outside - as someone on the left and who is black and a woman is. And I think the social media/group chat (stag do/football trip WhatsApp) dynamic has actually possibly made this worse.

I don't want to pathologise but I sometimes wonder if there's a bit of overcompensation of "laddish" behaviour from a bunch of graduates from elite universities who are incredibly nerdy. I think there's possibly also an element of some in Westminster loving The Thick of It for all the wrong reasons.

I genuinely think WhatsApp and the group chat has had a huge impact on politics in Britain.

Edit: And frankly I think we're sort of seeing this with Burnham - I've started to see some briefing against him from Starmer loyalists that is absolutely scorched earth. For example attacking him on grooming gangs - which fees like a very risky line for Labour HQ to take - or, less seriously, on not being coherent as having been a Blairite ultra and now soft left - again, not a line of attack I'd make if I were a Starmer fan. And there may well be something to those attacks but - as during Corbyn's leadership - I sort of feel there's a lot of people in Labour HQ who would very happily plow into an iceberg as long as they're on the bridge.

Edit: And incidentally mentioned this story to someone at work who is on the asset management side of things - and fair to say very dry politically. Even his response was basically what have they got against her? Why can't they just leave her alone?

[mongers]

Journey home this evening delayed by the Pigs forming roadblocks. 

[Admiral Yi]

Maybe for just one day they could leave Britain's first black female MP alone

How very DEI of you.

[garbon]

Not DEI used as a negative.

[Sheilbh]

Not only DEI but intersectional! I think the main reason they don't like Abbott is that she's on the hard left/in the opposing faction.

But the form that dislike takes intersects with and is structured by her race, gender and age into specifically quite nasty behaviour.

[mongers]

Not only DEI but intersectional! I think the main reason they don't like Abbott is that she's on the hard left/in the opposing faction.

But the form that dislike takes intersects with and is structured by her race, gender and age into specifically quite nasty behaviour.

Don't forget the greater 'audience' response, some of that increased response will be from a small minority who'll laugh along because they're racists, but hid it well.