Israel-Hamas War 2023

[Razgovory]

Your link doesn't go anywhere.

Fits right into this argument then.

I didn't make an argument.  But I have noted two things about left-wing antizionists:

Most are interested in fighting racism or at least appear to be fighting racism.

Most would rather prefer to see the people they are opposing not as Jews or even Israelis, but far-right Americans.  In particular, evangelical Christians.

These seem to be the primary motivation.  For the most part, they are not antisemitic.  In fact that Israelis are Jewish is terribly inconvenient.  If the Israelis were white Christians, they could really go in on the eliminationist rhetoric.  The shift in the American far-right against Israel really bothers them.  I've read several tirades and articles about how Tucker Carlson and his ilk aren't really antizionist.  Unlike the far-right, a real antizionist cares very deeply about the lives of brown people, the lives of Yemenis, Syrians, Uyghurs, etc notwithstanding.  Those far-right anti-Israel types are only interested in instrumentalizing the suffering of Palestinians to destroy their political enemies, Jews and the like.  A real antizionist would never make this about anything else but the lives of Palestinians.  Unless it was the Capitalism, American Imperialism, Environmentalism or some other part of the omnicause.  Anyway, it's clear they don't like being on the same side as the Far-right.  It's very hard to virtue signal when your allies are big fans of the "Austrian Painter", and it's hard to be against Christian evangelicals when you are agreeing with them.

Anyways, I think it is helpful to see what what antizionists actually say.  After all, there are probably more Muslim antizionists than white Westerner ones.  What are the real ones like?  

[Valmy]

On the Internet these days I can never be entirely sure a rando is even a real person.

Seems like a real person.  She lives in the U.K.  Isn't illegal to post stuff like that there?

Don't know. Just saying I would often get into discussions with people online and get really worked up just for it later to occur to me that might not have even really been a real person.

Which is why I rarely get into it outside of Languish anymore.

[Zoupa]

Telling that Raz ignores the war crime but instead posts about his interaction with a rando on facebook, of all places.

So you are really going to defend this?  Of course you are...  She's your ally after all.

I didn't even read your exchange with her. I don't think having conversations with random ppl on facebook is a good use of anyone's time, including yours or mine.

Anything to say on the execution of prisoners though?

[Razgovory]

That's bad.  Shouldn't do that.

[Jacob]

So Trump's "Board of Peace". Here's what I understand it is at the moment:

• Trump to be Chair for life, with control of its spending and final decision-making
• A number of billionaires and government officials from various countries (including Qatar and Turkey) have been appointed to the board.
• Gaza will be managed day to day by 15 Palestinian technocrats (screened by Mossad) once Hamas is disarmed
• Countries can join for 3 year terms, or permanently if they pay a US$1B fee
• The UAE have signed on formally
• Canada are studying the offer to join, but is unlikely to pay the fee
• Hungary as endorsed the idea enthusiastically

Any thoughts on how it'll play out?

[The Brain]

I don't really know enough to judge that kind of graft schemes, but if it can get off the ground it seems decent. Any and all humanitarian aid meant for Gaza, with any $1B tickets as a nice bonus.

[Duque de Bragança]

So Trump's "Board of Peace". Here's what I understand it is at the moment:

• Trump to be Chair for life, with control of its spending and final decision-making
• A number of billionaires and government officials from various countries (including Qatar and Turkey) have been appointed to the board.
• Gaza will be managed day to day by 15 Palestinian technocrats (screened by Mossad) once Hamas is disarmed
• Countries can join for 3 year terms, or permanently if they pay a US$1B fee
• The UAE have signed on formally
• Canada are studying the offer to join, but is unlikely to pay the fee
• Hungary as endorsed the idea enthusiastically

Any thoughts on how it'll play out?

Macron already said no. Hence, tariffs.

[Jacob]

Norway has also declined.

[crazy canuck]

I don't really know enough to judge that kind of graft schemes, but if it can get off the ground it seems decent. Any and all humanitarian aid meant for Gaza, with any $1B tickets as a nice bonus.

What makes you think money meant for aid to Palestinians will make it past the Chair's off shore bank account?

[The Brain]

I don't really know enough to judge that kind of graft schemes, but if it can get off the ground it seems decent. Any and all humanitarian aid meant for Gaza, with any $1B tickets as a nice bonus.

What makes you think money meant for aid to Palestinians will make it past the Chair's off shore bank account?

[Baron von Schtinkenbutt]

What makes you think money meant for aid to Palestinians will make it past the Chair's off shore bank account?

I think Brain meant it was a decent grift scheme for Trump, not a decent plan for Gazans.

[grumbler]

I don't really know enough to judge that kind of graft schemes, but if it can get off the ground it seems decent. Any and all humanitarian aid meant for Gaza, with any $1B tickets as a nice bonus.

What makes you think money meant for aid to Palestinians will make it past the Chair's off shore bank account?

The money gained from the sale of the Venezuelan oil seized by the US was placed in a private offshore bank account in Qatar.  The owner of the account is a secret. I'm seeing a pattern.