Game of Thrones begins....

[Siege]

Neither is he. 

So?
I was refuting Gups claim that she was seriously hot.

Who the fuck ever said that only white people were hot?

Ha, the jews in Hollywood have brainwashed you and stolen your soul.

Hollywood have been working for a long time to pair up white women with black dudes, black dudes with latinas, latinas with white men, white men with asian girls, etc.
An

And they make white women skinny so they are not fertile.

Hollywood brainwashed me!

[Eddie Teach]

Neither is he. 

Could the dude be any more Caucasian? If he was in a police lineup and labeled Mr. Smith you'd never know the difference.

He doesn't look Nordic or Celtic. "Mr. Smith" is presumably of British extraction and would have slightly less melanin, different facial features, etc.

[Siege]

Neither is he. 

Could the dude be any more Caucasian? If he was in a police lineup and labeled Mr. Smith you'd never know the difference.

He doesn't look Nordic or Celtic. "Mr. Smith" is presumably of British extraction and would have slightly less melanin, different facial features, etc.

So, only blond faggots are white now, it seems.

[Siege]

Neither is he. 

So?
I was refuting Gups claim that she was seriously hot.

Who the fuck ever said that only white people were hot?

Show me ONE (1) woman that ain't white and is hot.

[Eddie Teach]

Predictable, I know.

[Slargos]

I think it achieves pretty much exactly what it was meant to be in fact. They are not going for Shakespeare.

I guess I don't think describing it as trashy is necessarily a huge negative. It can be both trashy and damn good, even trashy and sophisticated.

You cannot really argue though that a TV show that includes whores flashing their crotch at people, lesbian sex scenes, a couple instances of incest, and plenty of over the top violence is not trashy though.

I suppose if we simply re-define the concept "trashy" then GoT is trashy.  But so is every other series you named, because they appealed to emotion like GoT does.  They are less trashy than GoT by that measure, but still trashy.

Or, maybe, we should reject the concept of "trashy" as a valid measure of TV show quality and recognize that it is simply the label that a snob applied to work not like his own.  I think accepting Rushdie's labeling system adds nothing to the debate.  He is a smart guy but not very introspective, and certainly not a man who can complain about the fiction work of others; he wrote some very good philosophically-inclined  works, but he doesn't understand character or plot and I find the idea of him writing for TV or movies to be questionable, at best.

Is GoT deliberately over the top in places?  Sure.  Does that make it bad TV?  No, it makes it good TV, because TV is about showing and not telling, and GoT doesn't hold back when it comes to showing.  I think I enjoyed the show even more than the book, and I enjoyed the book a lot.

once in a while i find myself agreeing with grumbler. 

[Viking]

Show me ONE (1) woman that ain't white and is hot.

To take Siegy's point a bit more seriously than the rest of you do and at least operate within the paradigm where if you give a neanderthal a shave, a change of clothes and a bowler hat you wouldn't find him out of place on the london underground. Beyoncé, Halle Berry and Jessica Alba in a sense "white". The only thing really that makes them non-white is genetics. They don't have the features which would suggest heredity other than what usually would be considered white. They got their noses and lips fixed to conform.

So to rephrase Siegy's question in a manner more relevant to us all.

Show me ONE (1) woman that deviates from the occidental standard of beauty and is hot.

That picture of Beyoncé has her straightening her hair, softening the colour of her face, reddening her lips and emphasizing the contrast effect of her eyes.

She looks like she could be a white girl who has a non-petite nose and a really good tan.

[Eddie Teach]

White women also straighten their hair and wear makeup, so what.

[Viking]

White women also straighten their hair and wear makeup, so what.

yes, emphasizing health indicators visible on (reall hate the word "white" here for all the connotations it has, but I'll use it because a caucasian is a georgian, armenia, azeri, chechen etc.) white skin. White women are trying to look more ideal white in the sense that they are emphasizing indicators of health in white women (straight lustrous hair, full lips, bright lifelike eyes and healthy looking skin). Black or Yellow women can have the same health status as a white woman but their health indicators are different. The point Siegy (apparently involuntarily) is trying to make is that the indicators of health and thus tokens of beauty in white women are being adopted by non-white women and the standard which we rate beauty (and thus reproductive health based on superficial factors) is a white one rather than a black, yellow or brown one.

I'm not claiming this in an absolute, I'm saying this is a trend in certain societies and groups. 

[Siege]

Thnak you for xpressing what me was tryung to says.

[Josquius]

Certainly true in Asians (both of the Caucasian and Oriental variety). Black people though....I dunno, there are certainly some but there is a lot of appreciation out there for proper 'black beauties' (not the horse), lots of people seem to love the big arses and full lips and all that sort of thing.
Given our society is a predominantly white one though we just see the white ideal more often.

[Razgovory]

Really a personal thing I reckon.  I find Middle Eastern chicks attractive.

[Josquius]

Really a personal thing I reckon.  I find Middle Eastern chicks attractive.

Me too, lots of them however don't find themselves attractive, a lot of going blonde and trying to look white.

[Slargos]

White is beautiful. There is simply no arguing this axiom. Cringe and whinge your way clear if you must, but the truth is irrefutable.

[grumbler]

White is beautiful. There is simply no arguing this axiom. Cringe and whinge your way clear if you must, but the truth is irrefutable.

Disagree.  Pasty may be what you prefer, but I like some color.