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Started by Jacob, February 16, 2025, 02:00:06 PM

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viper37

Quote from: The Brain on April 01, 2026, 07:57:49 AMDo US oil bros think high oil price is good or bad?
Not an absolute.

A little higher than they were before, good as long as there is low tariffs.

Too high, and it promotes fuel economy and green energy, so not good.
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OttoVonBismarck

That's basically how all the big oil producers think--including the petrostates like KSA, they've openly said their goal for oil prices is to not let them get so high that it drives rapid market shifts to alternatives. Which is basically common sense in any case that people will follow a profit maximizing strategy.

Zanza

So Trump is now boasting about destroying civilian infrastructure, e.g. the largest bridge in Iran. Not even pretending this to be about military targets anymore.

Tamas

Quote from: Zanza on April 03, 2026, 02:39:41 AMSo Trump is now boasting about destroying civilian infrastructure, e.g. the largest bridge in Iran. Not even pretending this to be about military targets anymore.

Yeah lots of flailing-about energy. Terror bombing ain't far away now

Baron von Schtinkenbutt

Quote from: Tamas on April 03, 2026, 07:16:56 AMYeah lots of flailing-about energy. Terror bombing ain't far away now

Something, something, Iran did it first.

Legbiter

Some light purging of generals overnight by the burgers.  :hmm:
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HisMajestyBOB

Sounds like the reason for the firings is that those generals were not racist, sexist pieces of shit, which runs counter to Trump administration policy.
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Legbiter

They probably had serious misgivings about the upcoming ground operations including something about airdropping forces in to dig up the buried uranium stockpile in the middle of Iran.  :hmm:

Maybe one of them accidentally glanced at Dien Bien Phu wikipedia article.
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HisMajestyBOB

I have not seen any sources on that, but it wouldn't surprise me if daring to question Der Fuehrer's strategic genius was a contributing reason.
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Bauer

So that's how he prepares for his statements  :lol:


Crazy_Ivan80

Apparantly the French got a ship out of the Persian Gulf. Through the tollbooth of course.

The Minsky Moment

Iran is the master of the tolling trolling.
We have, accordingly, always had plenty of excellent lawyers, though we often had to do without even tolerable administrators, and seen destined to endure the inconvenience of hereafter doing without any constructive statesmen at all.
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Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on April 03, 2026, 01:39:41 PMApparantly the French got a ship out of the Persian Gulf. Through the tollbooth of course.

QuoteThe Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) are allegedly seeking to charge tolls starting at $1 per barrel and considering payment settlements in either Chinese yuan or stablecoins.

There are purportedly discussions about requiring ships to submit detailed data to IRGC-linked intermediaries for approval, with access determined by a country ranking system.

https://www.euronews.com/business/2026/04/03/french-ship-crosses-strait-of-hormuz-in-first-western-european-transit-during-iran-war

Belongs to a company owned by a Franco-Lebanese family, with Syrian origins, so I guess Near and Middle  East connections facilitated the likely deal.

QuoteCMA CGM, majority-owned by the Saadé family

Crazy_Ivan80

aha, that might indeed explain.

that said: I can't see the Iranians maintaining uncontested control over the straight forever. After all, the other side can equally close it using drones at any time. And national pride - sectarian strife- will eventually demand some form of retaliation.

None of this, however, changes the reality that the orange blob and his clique fucked up

Sheilbh

Maybe - I think in the long-run they've done this and other states will look at how to work around this chokepoint. I'd expect more pipelines and attempts to build out the infrastructure of other routes.

But I think the German Defence Minister's point a while ago is still true - if the US Navy is not able to re-open the strait I'm not really sure that anyone else would be able to.

Having said that I think you're right on drones etc - but I'd possibly flip it the other way. The global trade system, global trade in general is based on free passage guaranteed above all by the US Navy but other big traditional navies too - basically pre-drone navies/militaries. I think this situation is clarifying because I'm not sure that necessarily holds and there may be a while to discover how to combat it. But it seems increasingly plausible to me that small states, non-states, states without major navies or air forces will increasingly cheaply and effectively be able to disrupt globalised trade and impose costs. That will have an impact economically but also in terms of military mobility - I think it's easy to see how it applies over sea-lanes but I'm not entirely sure you couldn't apply the same over land or air? I'm sure very clever people in the Defence Ministries of the world are thinking about this but it feels like a significant shift from the 20th century (and earlier) model that will require adaptation.
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