Quo Vadis GOP?

[Syt]

Stephen Miller's speech at the Trump Rally Charlie Kirk Memorial:

https://transcripts.cnn.com/show/cnr/date/2025-09-21/segment/04

STEPHEN MILLER, WHITE HOUSE DEPUTY CHIEF OF STAFF FOR POLICY: Hello, Turning Point. Hello, patriots. Hello to our fearless president, Donald J. Trump. And hello to millions of Americans all across this land who are gathered in sadness and sorrow to mourn Charlie Kirk. But also to dedicate ourselves to finishing his mission and achieving victory in his name.

(APPLAUSE)

MILLER: The day that Charlie died the angels wept. But those tears had been turned into fire in our hearts. And that fire burns with a righteous fury that our enemies cannot comprehend or understand. When I see Erika and her strength and her courage, I'm reminded of a famous expression. The storm whispers to the warrior that you cannot withstand my strength and the warrior whispers back, I am the storm.

Erika is the storm. We are the storm. And our enemies cannot comprehend our strength, our determination, our resolve, our passion. Our lineage and our legacy hails back to Athens, to Rome, to Philadelphia, to Monticello. Our ancestors built the cities. They produced the art and architecture. They built the industry.

Erika stands on the shoulders of thousands of years of warriors, of women who raised up families, raised up city, raised up industry, raised up civilization, who pulled us out of the caves and the darkness into the light. The light will defeat the dark. We will prevail over the forces of wickedness and evil. They cannot imagine what they have awakened.

They cannot conceive of the army that they have arisen in all of us because we stand for what is good, what is virtuous, what is noble. And to those trying to incite violence against us, those trying to foment hatred against us, what do you have? You have nothing. You are nothing. You are wickedness. You are jealousy. You are envy. You are hatred. You are nothing. You can build nothing. You can produce nothing. You can create nothing.

We are the ones who build. We are the ones who create. We are the ones who lift up humanity. You thought you could kill Charlie Kirk. You have made him immortal. You have immortalized Charlie Kirk. And now millions will carry on his legacy. And we will devote the rest of our lives to finishing the causes for which Charlie gave his last measure of devotion. You cannot defeat us. You cannot slow us. You cannot stop us. You cannot deter us.

We will carry Charlie and Erika in our heart every single day and fight that much harder because of what you did to us. You have no idea the dragon you have awakened. You have no idea how determined we will be to save the civilization, to save the West, to save this republic, because our children are strong and our grandchildren will be strong. And our children's children's children will be strong.

And what will you leave behind? Nothing. Nothing. To our enemies, you have nothing to give. You have nothing to offer. You have nothing to share but bitterness. We have beauty. We have light. We have goodness. We have determination. We have vision. We have strength. We built the world that we inhabit now, generation by generation.

And we will defend this world. We will defend goodness. We will defend light. We will defend virtue. You cannot terrify us. You cannot frighten us. You cannot threaten us. Because we are on the side of goodness. We are on the side of God.

And to my friend Charlie, to my brother Charlie, I know you are looking at us right now. I know you are watching Erika right now. I know you're watching your children right now. And I promise you, my friend, I promise you, my brother, we will prove worthy of your sacrifice. We will prove worthy of your time on earth. We will make you proud. We will finish the job.

We will defeat the forces of darkness and evil. And we will stand every day for what is true, what is beautiful, what is good. And we will achieve victory for our children, for our families, for our civilization, and for every patriot who stands with us. God bless you. God bless turning point. God bless Erika. God bless the Kirk family. God bless our heroes. And God bless the United States of America. Thank you.

[Baron von Schtinkenbutt]

Fuck, do we need to upgrade him from Great Value Goebbels to Market Pantry Goebbels?

[The Minsky Moment]

You can build nothing. You can produce nothing. You can create nothing.

Says a man who has spent his entire career since graduation in government and politics.

[viper37]

Republicans frustrated about association with fascism have something to look forward to.

'I love Hitler': Leaked messages expose Young Republicans' racist chat

NEW YORK — Leaders of Young Republican groups throughout the country worried what would happen if their Telegram chat ever got leaked, but they kept typing anyway.

They referred to Black people as monkeys and "the watermelon people" and mused about putting their political opponents in gas chambers. They talked about raping their enemies and driving them to suicide and lauded Republicans who they believed support slavery.

William Hendrix, the Kansas Young Republicans' vice chair, used the words "n--ga" and "n--guh," variations of a racial slur, more than a dozen times in the chat. Bobby Walker, the vice chair of the New York State Young Republicans at the time, referred to rape as "epic." Peter Giunta, who at the time was chair of the same organization, wrote in a message sent in June that "everyone that votes no is going to the gas chamber."


Giunta was referring to an upcoming vote on whether he should become chair of the Young Republican National Federation, the GOP's 15,000-member political organization for Republicans between 18 and 40 years old.
"Im going to create some of the greatest physiological torture methods known to man. We only want true believers," he continued.
Two members of the chat responded.

[...]

[Tonitrus]

Looking at the images of all involved...the future of the GOP is a cohort of Goerings.

[HVC]

Looking at the images of all involved...the future of the GOP is a cohort of Goerings.

So not that different from its present

[Zoupa]

"We need to reach out to them. Calling them fascists and nazis just pushes them away from the Democratic party!"

[Tonitrus]

Looking at the images of all involved...the future of the GOP is a cohort of Goerings.

So not that different from its present

Stephan Miller looks more like a Goebbels...maybe a bald Heydrich.

[Syt]

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2025/10/republican-hitler-group-chat-nazi-politico/

Follow up:

[...]

"By focusing on what kids are saying in a group chat—grow up! I'm sorry," Vance said. "Focus on the real issues. Don't focus on what kids say in group chats."

One problem with this defense? The people in the group chat aren't "kids." By scanning public records and media reports, Mother Jones determined the ages of eight of the 11 participants in the chat: They appear to range from 24 to 35. Ages for three other participants—Bobby Walker, Michael Bartels, and Rachel Hope—were not publicly available. Bartels declined to comment to Politico, and the outlet could not reach Hope for comment. Walker told Politico parts of the chat "may have been altered, taken out of context, or otherwise manipulated," adding, "The language is wrong and hurtful, and I sincerely apologize."

Hendrix, the Kansas Young Republicans vice chair, and Luke Mosiman, chair of the Arizona Young Republicans, were, at 24, the youngest participants in the chat whose ages Mother Jones could determine through public reporting and records. Politico reported Hendrix used variations of a racial slur more than a dozen times in the chat.

According to Kansas NPR affiliate KCUR, Hendrix lost his job as communications assistant for Kansas' Republican Attorney General Kris Kobach after Politico reporters asked his boss, who is also the state GOP chair, about the texts. Hendrix did not respond to Politico's requests for comment. The Kansas GOP said it was "disgusted" by the comments and that they do not reflect the views of Kansas Republicans, who, it emphasized, "elected a black chair a few months ago." The Kansas Young Republicans reportedly became "inactive" after the messages were published.

In the chat, Mosiman called for the rape of a rival young Republican leader, and at another point said, "The Spanish came to America and had sex with every single woman." He declined to comment to Politico.

The oldest appears to be Joe Maligno, who public records suggest is 35. In the chat, he spoke about gas chambers and used a racial slur toward Chinese people. Maligno previously identified himself as general counsel for the New York State Young Republicans. Maligno did not respond to requests for comment from Politico. According to a Wednesday follow-up report from the outlet, he lost his job as an employee of the New York State Unified Court System.

A handful of other participants seem to fall in the middle of that age range. According to public records, Annie Kaykaty, New York's national committee member who, in response to Maligno's comment about gas chambers, said, "I'm ready to watch people burn now," is 28. Alex Dwyer, chair of the Kansas Young Republicans, who wrote a series of numbers used by white supremacists and wrote, "Sex is gay," is 29; Peter Giunta, former chair of the New York State Young Republicans, who referred to Black people as "watermelon people" and "monkeys" and said, at another point, "I love Hitler," is 31.

Chat member and supposed "kid" Samuel Douglass is a 27-year-old state senator in Vermont, according to reports. In the group chat, he claimed a woman a mutual friend was dating, who some presumed was Indian, "didn't bathe often." Vermont Republican Gov. Phil Scott has called on Douglass to resign; Douglass has apologized but has not yet said whether he would resign.

Kaykaty and Dwyer declined to comment to Politico. Giunta apologized for the messages in a statement but claimed they were part of a "highly-coordinated year-long character assassination" effort by fellow New York politicos. According to Politico's follow-up story, Giunta lost his job working for New York Assemblymember Mike Reilly. Politico characterized Giunta as "the most prominent voice in the chat spreading racist messages—often encouraged or "liked" by other members.

Vance's defense did not stop at suggesting the participants were too young to take responsibility for their actions. He also implied they should not have to, casting members of the chat as unfairly victimized. Instead of saying he planned to warn his children not to use such vile language, for example, Vance said he would tell his three kids—"especially my boys"—"don't put things on the internet. Be careful with what you post. If you put something in a group chat, assume that some scumbag is going to leak it in an effort to try to cause you harm or cause your family harm."

"But the reality is that kids do stupid things, especially young boys—they tell edgy, offensive jokes," Vance continued. "That's what kids do. And I really don't want us to grow up in a country where a kid telling a stupid joke—telling a very offensive stupid joke—is cause to ruin their lives. And at some point we're all going to have to say, 'Enough of this BS. We're not going to allow the worst moment in a 21-year-old's group chat to ruin a kid's life for the rest of time.'"

This is particularly rich coming from one of the top officials representing a party that just mounted a mass cancellation campaign to push for the firing and punishment of anyone who its devotees felt insufficiently mourned assassinated MAGA influencer Charlie Kirk.

Tl;dr: Hitlergate wasn't about kids, and JD Vance knows it—or should now.

[Valmy]

Are grown men kids now? Infantilizing adults now? Boys will be boys...even "boys" who are 24 years old and older.

Also they are acting like nothing was concerning at all about what was said. Like this is all perfectly normal things for leaders of their party to be saying.

I mean it is what those of us who hate them have suspected for years but it is kind of weird to see them embrace it so thoroughly. Ok actually it is not weird at all.

[Solmyr]

I mean, it's not like the other Republicans disagree with what these guys said. The problem is that it was leaked.

[Valmy]

I mean, it's not like the other Republicans disagree with what these guys said. The problem is that it was leaked.

It is just kind of surreal. Like sometimes I find myself thinking "are these guys actually fascists? Nazis? The Republicans? No way. That's just crazy talk. They might be a little deluded but..."

But shit like this keeps happening. And this isn't some weird obscure group of freaks, but prominent people in the Republican Party, their future leaders.

It's wild. I guess it shouldn't be, I guess this shouldn't surprise me. It is like no matter how little I think of them they still manage to be worse than I thought. Rather like Donald Trump really. I have hated this guy since the 1980s yet somehow the depths of his depravity and vileness never ceases to astound.

I am sure a similar group of Democrats also would have cringy horrifying things to say amongst themselves but...again the Republicans always manage to be so much worse.

[The Brain]

The Groupchat Got Leaked is a fucking old meme. Actual kids wouldn't be that retro.

[Baron von Schtinkenbutt]

From the perspective of a typical Congresscritter, people in their 40s are kids.

[Sophie Scholl]

I saw "Mitch McConnell" trending on Bluesky and got excited. Alas, he just fell while walking... immediately after being asked to take a stand against ICE.