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Started by Barrister, November 13, 2019, 12:54:52 AM

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Duque de Bragança

There was also a time when Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom was the worst movie of the Indiana Jones saga.  :D

Baron von Schtinkenbutt

The difference is that Empire Strikes Back is the best of the core Star Wars saga, and maybe the best of all the movies (I'm torn on putting Rogue One just before or just after it).

Duque de Bragança

Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on June 18, 2025, 09:02:25 AMThe difference is that Empire Strikes Back is the best of the core Star Wars saga, and maybe the best of all the movies (I'm torn on putting Rogue One just before or just after it).

Let's say that, compared to the new "trilogies", even the (original) Return of the Jedi looks good now.  :P
Rogue One, as you say, is a different case.

celedhring

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Imho, Rogue One isn't that great. Kickass third act, not much else really. It just happens to be head and shoulders the best of the Disney movies. I always found the characters rather unmemorable and the drama a bit facile - which is weird given that it went on to spawn Andor, which features some of the best characterization of the entire saga. But it has a recognizable dramatic arc, delivers on the pew-pew in a way that makes dramatic sense... that's how movies are supposed to work,

(Solo I think was also a competent film, but at the same time pretty uninteresting/boring).

I'd probably list Rogue One third all time? In a dead heat with ROTJ (a film with very low lows and very high highs). Which mostly speaks about how terrible Star Wars movies have been since 1983.

HVC

Solo would have been better as a stand alone sci-fi film outside of the Star Wars world. I found the "hey look Star Wars references, aren't they cool" parts distracting.
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celedhring

Quote from: HVC on June 19, 2025, 03:00:09 AMSolo would have been better as a stand alone sci-fi film outside of the Star Wars world. I found the "hey look Star Wars references, aren't they cool" parts distracting.

Yeah, there were parts that felt like a checklist ("How he met Chewie!" "How he met Lando!" "How he won the Falcon!") and I absolutely didn't care for them.

While the film had some interesting ideas here and there (the whole conceit about whether you can affort to have morality in a world that has none), I don't think the story had enough to stand on its own though.

Sophie Scholl

Agreed on Solo. It wasn't a bad sci-fi flick, but the Star Wars ties felt forced and weird. I'd love to be able to see the original edit of Rogue One. I always felt like it had a kind of roughly cut together quality to it.
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HVC

Yeah it might not have been a great film, but it would have been a better film. Hell, without the star wars anchor they *maybe* could have done different things to make it a much better film.
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viper37

Quote from: celedhring on June 19, 2025, 02:43:39 AMImho, Rogue One isn't that great. Kickass third act, not much else really. It just happens to be head and shoulders the best of the Disney movies. I always found the characters rather unmemorable and the drama a bit facile - which is weird given that it went on to spawn Andor, which features some of the best characterization of the entire saga. But it has a recognizable dramatic arc, delivers on the pew-pew in a way that makes dramatic sense... that's how movies are supposed to work,
It lacks originality.  There is nothing, character-wise, we have not seen before.

The suicide mission feels very WWII-esque.

But it does deliver.
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Bauer

The thing I liked about rogue one is how seamlessly it integrated into the original storyline, preserved the feel of it, while also telling a different kind of (more adult) story.  It's really rare to see that achieved.  Although sure from a standalone perspective it follows a very generic kind of formula.

Plus they actually put some thought into the space battle - any thought at all is improvement over most movies - and gave the fans the Vader scene we know we all wanted.

HVC

That's a good point. They slotted into the lore without breaking anything. No extra force babies or other stupidity for no reason.
Being lazy is bad; unless you still get what you want, then it's called "patience".
Hubris must be punished. Severely.

Crazy_Ivan80

I'm still wondering why the capital ships weren't firing though. Those mon cala cruisers can deal out quite a punch

Sophie Scholl

Weren't the Mon Cala ships retrofitted to be fighting ships? Perhaps it being set during the early days of the Rebellion, they hadn't been armed or fully armed yet and were more utilized as just big command and control centers.
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celedhring

Quote from: Sophie Scholl on June 22, 2025, 03:58:44 PMWeren't the Mon Cala ships retrofitted to be fighting ships? Perhaps it being set during the early days of the Rebellion, they hadn't been armed or fully armed yet and were more utilized as just big command and control centers.

What bugs me slightly about the Rogue One battle (well, not really, I'm not that obsessed with continuity), is that they show you this large rebel fleet, and then in A New Hope they can only muster a few figther squadrons to attack the Death Star.

I guess you can say most of it was obliterated at Scariff, but still.

Sophie Scholl

I presume that the primary fleet vessels and fighters gets gutted at Scarif (though some survive to fight at Yavin... and get destroyed). Presumably any additional reserves they have don't have enough time to get to Yavin to aid the efforts as it is only the space of a few days from Scarif to Yavin. Also, not having every single rebel and resistance asset there means it won't be complete destruction if they lose.
"Everything that brought you here -- all the things that made you a prisoner of past sins -- they are gone. Forever and for good. So let the past go... and live."

"Somebody, after all, had to make a start. What we wrote and said is also believed by many others. They just don't dare express themselves as we did."