Plane Crash in India, at least 240 dead.

[Sheilbh]

He said he ran out of the plane before people put him on an ambulance and I've seen a clip of him wandering around - I think pretty dazed - afterwards and I just cannot even comprehend how someone walks away from a crash like that.

[crazy canuck]

The survivor jumped out of the emergency exit 

After the crash.

[grumbler]

Don't know the veracity but the story going around is that the survivor heard a large bang before the plane started going down.

Another bird strike like the Korean one?

Bird strike is unlikely because it would take a lot of birds to choke both engines. The birds in that part of India are not large like the sea birds involved in the Korean crash, so it's hard to imagine that there was a big enough flock to choke the engines but not be visible from the ground.

Plus, there is no visual evidence of the kind one would see if the engines were knocked out by bird strikes (flames and debris coming out of the engines).

[Bauer]

Video taken on the plane from earlier leg of the flight shows ac and tv displays not working.

[grumbler]

That might just be because they are stuck on the tarmac, so the engine generators are not spooled up and they are not connected to the ramp to get umbilical power.

[Bauer]

That might just be because they are stuck on the tarmac, so the engine generators are not spooled up and they are not connected to the ramp to get umbilical power.

Maybe, but if it turns out to be an electrical failure causing a stall then may have been overlooked maintenance issues.

[grumbler]

That might just be because they are stuck on the tarmac, so the engine generators are not spooled up and they are not connected to the ramp to get umbilical power.

Maybe, but if it turns out to be an electrical failure causing a stall then may have been overlooked maintenance issues.

Anything is still possible since we lack evidence, but the video presented here is only evidence of how uncomfortable it is to sit in a plane that's waiting on the tarmac, with only the internal generator running and so all non-essential services turned off.  I've experienced that myself.  You can find horror stories of people who had to sit through that for hours.

[Iormlund]

That might just be because they are stuck on the tarmac, so the engine generators are not spooled up and they are not connected to the ramp to get umbilical power.

Maybe, but if it turns out to be an electrical failure causing a stall then may have been overlooked maintenance issues.

I know this is Boeing we're talking about, but I would be really surprised if the A/C and entertainment system used the same loop as avionics and other safety-critical elements.

[crazy canuck]

One theory, not yet substantiated, is that instead of retracting the landing gear (which never did come up) the copilot retracted the flaps.  The copilot was new to the job, so it might be as tragic as him pulling the wrong switch.

[grumbler]

One theory, not yet substantiated, is that instead of retracting the landing gear (which never did come up) the copilot retracted the flaps.  The copilot was new to the job, so it might be as tragic as him pulling the wrong switch.

I described that reasoning in post #9. There is additional information now available that indicates that the Ram Air Turbine, or "RAT" was deployed, as I also mentioned in post #9. The additional info is that the better version of the vid shot of the plane flying overhead now shows something projecting from the bottom of the plane, right where the RAT would deploy. The loud noise the survivor described would be caused by the RAT deploying.

The RAT only deploys when there is no other source of power, which would mean, in this case, that both engines had failed. That would leave the mystery of how both engines could fail at the same time.

Fuel contamination could cause that, but the pilots would have detected the contamination as soon as they went to 80% thrust to start the takeoff roll. Fuel pump failure could cause that, but the plane has multiple fuel pumps, both electrical and hydraulic, with instant rollover. How could they all fail at once?

Bird strikes are out, as such an event would leave a lot of dead birds on the ground, which wasn't the case here.

So, it is increasingly looking like simultaneous multiple engine failure, which shouldn't be possible.

[Josquius]

Boeing says hold my beer.

[Tonitrus]

Boeing says hold my beer.

Boeing doesn't build the engines...Rolls Royce and GE do.

[DGuller]

If both engines failed at the same time, then it seem very unlikely to be an issue with engines themselves.  The thing connecting both of them is the most likely culprit one way or another.

[Tonitrus]

It would probably be a freak failure though...as this is the first 787 to crash in 14 years of operation. (unless there is an upgraded replacement part involved)

It was the 737 MAX that earned them their current reputation.

[Razgovory]

If both engines failed at the same time, then it seem very unlikely to be an issue with engines themselves.  The thing connecting both of them is the most likely culprit one way or another.

The things that connect the engine... My God, there was a problem with the PLANE!