Boycott

[Tamas]

I would present discussion with Americans here on this forum around collective responsibility as argument against a collective boycott. If it ever got into a meaningful size it would be a Ln effective propaganda weapon to support Trump. By all means deface Teslas and their stores and find other ways to show that directly supporting the fascist government is not acceptable, but otherwise riding the moral high horse higher than that feels a bit premature on the continent of Le Pen, Farage, the AFD, Orban etc.

[The Brain]

I would present discussion with Americans here on this forum around collective responsibility as argument against a collective boycott. If it ever got into a meaningful size it would be a Ln effective propaganda weapon to support Trump. By all means deface Teslas and their stores and find other ways to show that directly supporting the fascist government is not acceptable, but otherwise riding the moral high horse higher than that feels a bit premature on the continent of Le Pen, Farage, the AFD, Orban etc.

Trump didn't need any propaganda weapon to kill Nato and ally with Russia against Ukraine, so I don't think this has to be a concern. We're boycotting Russia so why not the US (rhetorical)? It's not about punishing individual Americans, it's about punishing the US. If Trump was a private citizen doing his revolting stuff then the situation would be different, but he is POTUS and it's the actions of the POTUS (and other actual members of the US government) that is the problem, ie actions of the US. Trump is the head of state, head of government, and commander-in-chief of the armed forces. Like him or not, he speaks for the US.

Addendum: I'm all for boycotting Hungary. I've been boycotting them for years, and I think it's disgusting that we sell fighter jets to them. If (when) the rest you mention rule their respective countries I will be all for boycotting those countries too.

[Threviel]

No concern what so ever needs to be taken for fear of giving the fifth columnists arguments. Their voters live in an alternate reality and no matter what the sane guys do they'll believe whatever lies they feel like.

For fucks sake, last time a big thing was a pedophile ring in random pizzeria to harvest eternal youth drugs. There's nothing we can do that alters the minds of these sick fucks. They are lost.

I boycott not to weaken the US or to harm them, but to strengthen ourselves. If unnecessary money goes to our enemies that's resources ill utilised.

[The Brain]

I still hold out hope that the US will realize that its actions are bad, and make appropriate changes (like getting rid of Trump and his henchmen). So boycott as a disciplinary action to improve behavior. Unlike Russia, where I want their economy to descend into subsistence farming and stay there for many generations.

Addendum: even Americans who hate Trump's guts may be more incentivized to remove Trump if their paycheck and medical insurance are in danger.

[Josquius]

It's funny. Just the other day watching a German series set in the 70s I was thinking to myself "it's weird how being just the number one company in a country isn't really a thing outside of a few niches these days"
Like, it used to be you'd have totally different companies doing everything in every country. Internationally spread companies like Ford were the exception rather than the norm.
Even more extreme even being number one in a region was a thing. You got loads of people with very succesful careers being famous basically just in the north for instance.
Curious to think we could be going somewhat back that way.

[chipwich]

I will support a boycott only if we also boycott every country that has given less to Ukraine.

[Jacob]

I will support a boycott only if we also boycott every country that has given less to Ukraine.

Who is the "we" you're speaking of?

[chipwich]

Everyone in the world.

[Tonitrus]

I find that when one of my fellow Amerikans starts off a comment or message with, or refers to themselves as, "WE THE PEOPLE...", I am invariably better off tuning out the rest of what is to come.

[chipwich]

Was that directed at me? Why would you say such a bizarre non-sequitur?

[Valmy]

I find that when one of my fellow Amerikans starts off a comment or message with, or refers to themselves as, "WE THE PEOPLE...", I am invariably better off tuning out the rest of what is to come.

Yeah I don't really give a shit about whomever he considers his people. It isn't me.

[Richard Hakluyt]

Zelensky lost it because of the thousands of Ukrainians who have been killed by Putin whilst being asked to grovel for the pocket change (. 04% of US gdp?) handed over by the USA.

We are talking about marginal adverse effects to national budgets and comparing them to a sacrifice of blood. It is contemptible.

[Jacob]

Everyone in the world.

I don't think you're speaking for everyone in the world.

[chipwich]

Everyone in the world.

I don't think you're speaking for everyone in the world.

It doesn't matter if I speak for everyone in the world. Everyone should only boycott America if they also boycott every country that has given less to ukraine.

[Threviel]

I think Chippy, that you are focusing too much on Ukraine.

It's not about Ukraine per se, it's about the deliberate destruction of old alliances and the rules based world order by the Americans. Ukraine is just the symptom.