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Started by mongers, December 14, 2024, 06:37:20 PM

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mongers

Your predictions please for what America is like at the end of 2028, four years from now.
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grumbler

Quote from: mongers on December 14, 2024, 06:37:20 PMYour predictions please for what America is like at the end of 2028, four years from now.

I note the conspicuous absence of your own predictions while calling for the predictions of others.
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Nothing good.

Millions will have been deported, inflation will be record high for 4 continuous years. Red state national guards roam and spread terror in the street of Blue states. Outside of marriage sex and porn are illegal. Contraception is no more.

This is the worse timeline, nothing good happens anymore.
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mongers

Quote from: grumbler on December 14, 2024, 07:37:40 PM
Quote from: mongers on December 14, 2024, 06:37:20 PMYour predictions please for what America is like at the end of 2028, four years from now.

I note the conspicuous absence of your own predictions while calling for the predictions of others.

I don't have enough knowledge of US politics to make any informed guesses.

I will say, given that Trump has been propelled into office on a tsunami wave of bullshit, and even if he doesn't do lasting damage, then some Americans will find themselves half-drowning in the flood waters of bullshit for four year.
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Legbiter

Inflation is a problem. Otherwise everything is pretty much as usual.
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celedhring

I think political-social violence (like the recent CEO killing) will increase. It's a worrying trend and a Trump administration seems uniquely equipped to make things worse.

Zanza

Due to deregulation, America will be dirtier and less safe for consumers, but more profitable for corporations.

Due to regressive import duties causing inflation and severe cuts to federal social spending, poor Americans will be poorer than now.

Due to isolationist policies and cozying up to foreign authoritarians, the current 'Western' world will be less safe and less of a coherent bloc.

The tribalism in American politics will get even more expressed and will enable Trump's authoritarian governing by decree.

Josquius

Whatever bad happens half the country will blame it on the left.
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Norgy

I am not entirely sure the American people is as stupid as we tend to think in Northern Europe.

So, Congress will probably change colour in the mid-terms when the Trump billionaire club's policies are failing.
Not that the Dems are exactly clear about their aims either. The big-tent (or in the GOP's the huge SUV) party model is in some ways attractive, while there are a lot of different ideas in that tent.

I fear, with good reason, that environmental law will suffer, and I fear that by 2028, US influence diplomatically has declined to a degree where even the EU countries have a similar clout.

I think Trump likes bilateral treaties. The problem is that we need more unilateral ones for trade, for climate change, for unionising, for immigration, for foreign aid. In short, like we have discussed since 2003, we need the United Nations.

My bet is that there will be no border wall in 2028. Because while coming up with ideas of quite low quality, Trump's follow-through is fairly poor.

That he will claim the era has been bigly and greatly, I am sure of.  :tinfoil:

DGuller

I think this is the most difficult prediction to make.  In my mind, the range of possibilities spans all the way from false alarm to atrocities you would sound crazy imagining today.

Sheilbh

Quote from: DGuller on December 15, 2024, 03:57:49 PMI think this is the most difficult prediction to make.  In my mind, the range of possibilities spans all the way from false alarm to atrocities you would sound crazy imagining today.
Yeah I agree.

But my base guess is the same but more.

Although I'd add, to lift our gaze from Western navels, that there's been a few stories over the years that 2027 is Xi/CPC's target for taking Taiwan. If that's true, that might be the most significant fact between now and 2028.
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DGuller

The CEO murder is making me even more pessimistic about the future under Trump.  The widespread cheering on for what is perceived to be justice through extrajudicial means makes it much more likely in my mind that societal norms are too weak to resist appeals to extrajudicial violence. 

Trump's entire game plan for installing authoritarianism seems to be to call the bluff of the legal system when inevitable road blocks pop up, and hope that enough of the masses follow him to make the legal system irrelevant as a check on his power.  Once the concept of doing illegal acts for the greater good gets enough acceptance in society, things can get very scary very quickly.

grumbler

Quote from: DGuller on December 15, 2024, 03:57:49 PMI think this is the most difficult prediction to make.  In my mind, the range of possibilities spans all the way from false alarm to atrocities you would sound crazy imagining today.

As Yogi Berra put it, "the future is hard to predict. Especially the parts that haven't happened yet."
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Quote from: Norgy on December 15, 2024, 12:44:12 PMSo, Congress will probably change colour in the mid-terms when the Trump billionaire club's policies are failing.

The House, yes.  The Senate, not so much.  And, on account of that, perhaps one of the most consequential things we're liable to see is that Senate packing judgeships up and down the line with ideological incompetents, who will offer the Supreme Court many, many more opportunities to further weirdify the US Constitution and the laws of the United States generally for decades to come.  It's already happening with just what he did in his first four years.
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